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Ukraine wiped out 100 Russian troops at once in a strike showcasing the range and power of its new US ATACMS
(www.businessinsider.com)
this post was submitted on 03 May 2024
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Defending your country against an invading army is dumb?
That's not that the commenter said. You can abhor the death of 100 people, and still commend Ukraine for defending itself.
Those soldiers were most likely high value targets. They aren't going to wast high value weapons on grunts. Their elimination would likely save the lives of many Ukrainian civilians.
You can but they didn't. Sometimes it's worth the extra effort to also write "Putin is dumb."
Armies and invasion are dumb
a lot of these Russian soldiers don't want to fight. when you hear 100 soldiers dead, it's not 100 Putins. it's just 100 regular people like you and me in a fucked up situation. good for Ukraine for protecting themselves, but "wiped out 100 russian troops" sounds like you're killing ants. they're still people.
Right now we should care about the Ukrainian casualties because they are the ones defending themselves against Russian occupation. Russian soldiers are part of an invading force and the fewer Russian troops the sponer the war will end. It does not matter how many are there willingly or not when they are part of an occupying force.
We can care about the conscripted Russian soldiers who were forced to fight against their will after the war.
Nah I'll care about all humans now, thanks.
Cool. Take it up with Putin since he is the reason they are dead.
I don't have a direct line to Putin to take it up with him.
Valuing human life isn't coming across as approval of Putin's actions, is it? Cause that would be a weird conclusion to draw, imho.
It isn't weird to think you are shilling for Russia based on the context.
Yes, I think it is weird. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is unconscionable and tragic. This view does not conflict with expressing remorse that 100 human beings were killed in the blink of an eye. The fact that you think holding the latter opinion means the person must be making a political statement is sad.
I care quite a bit about the Russian soldiers who left Russia.
I care quite a bit about the Russian soldiers who waved the white flag.
I care quite a bit about the Russian solders who refused their orders and stayed in Russia.
I do not care about the Russian invaders. They made their choice, they will now live (or die) with them.
Maybe in 2022 or early 2023. But it’s increasingly people who sign up because it pays well (archive.is link to bloomberg article, telegram link if you understand Russian).
sounds like a lot of people joined because of the concert attack and Russian saying it was Ukraine.
Only professional and volunteers in Ukraine.. contractniki. Conscripts are used to fill homeland positions.
Granted.. some are voluntold.. but I would not characterize it as "a lot" but "some"..
Counting the volunteers who went to war willingly only to find themselves as cannon fodder and now regret their decision as "don't want to fight" is not correct.. because if properly supplied or when easily winning these guys would be wiping out ukranians with a smile on their face.
If they don't want to die they're free to march on the Kremlin, instead. Kremlin guards have fewer weapons than the Ukrainian army.
Imagine you’re in Russia. You see every person who was ever a real threat to the government die or disappear. You can’t flee the country. A coup is highly unlikely; Prigozhin just tried it and the plane he was on mysteriously blew up. You don’t have a lot of options. Makes sense to take your chances against Ukraine than try to overthrow the Russian military/government.
What really needs to happen is for war law to be changed to allow heads of state and government buildings to be targeted. Then they’d be a lot more careful about going to war.
Not in a strategic sense, no, because Kremlin guards are still less well armed than Ukraine. The trouble, of course, is that people are too scared to make that kind of cool-headed analysis but as soon as there's a crack in the regime because, say, Omon can't respond to lesser incidents because they're lying in a ditch in Ukraine the dam would break. Which OTOH is rather unlikely to happen because regime security is Putin's #1 concern, he'd let go of Ukraine before risking it, so he won't kill off their response capability like that. He may be mad but he's not crazy.
Bad idea. If Putin loses, the Siloviki have a good justification for a coup. If Putin gets assassinated, they'd be forced to declare him a martyr and continue the fight.
And Ukraine thinks the same or the SBU would already have gotten to him. They're also not touching the likes of Shoigu, they only target competent people: The more of a clown show the Russian regime is the easier the war becomes.