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Wasn't XMPP EEE'd by Google? Not to say that Meta is any better of course
There was no "Extinguish". XMPP still continues on.
By the way, Facebook also did the same. The original Facebook Messenger was based on XMPP as well.
Facebook Messenger is based on XMPP.
WhatsApp too
I don't think it is anymore.
@CrazyDuck @confluence ahoy!
No, I don't think so? As far as I can tell all extensions were public, in particular Jingle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)
Disclosure: I worked on gTalk towards the end of its lifetime and was the person responsible for (sadly) turning down federation.
Do you remember/are at liberty to elaborate on the reasoning and course of events at the time that lead to defederating?
@CrazyDuck Yes, I believe so :) Of course this is just how I remember it, it reflects my opinions and not of my employer's, etc.
From my rough memory, around the time this happened in 2013 the following was true:
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@CrazyDuck of course moving to a proprietary protocol doesn't mean that federation must die. Indeed we kept federation alive for users for a while by bridging gTalk (legacy, still supporting federation) and Hangouts (proprietary). It was the dream of at least a few (myself included) to open up the Hangouts API and/or build federation on top of it, but it was not prioritized -- I take part of the responsibility for that, even if I was just an individual contributor: I could have done it as a 20%.
Thanks! It's extremely insightful to get a peek behind the scenes like this. Stuff like this always happens behind closed doors and threads like yours really help shine some light :)
essentially, yes. Google Talk was based on XMPP.