Hej :) I have cycled through Scandinavia and fell in love with scandinavia, I am planing on moving to Scandinavia but I can not decide on which country. Actually i was Planung to move to Sweden and also speak A2 level Swedish but the government is more on the right wing side.
I am F. early 20 asian looking human rights activist deeply believe in a cosmopolitan system, democracy, care a lot about the lgbtq+ community and dislike „Asian“ style parenting and that family hierarchy stuff.
I am afraid of racism and disacceptance for me as a human being.
As German, people here can be quite racist, Germans never saw me as German, often ask me where I „really“ from, kids on the street do Asian eye gesture… even my friends often ask me about Asian country and culture related stuff. I have just as much knowledge as most of the Germans do. Why is that different?
So which of these two countries might suit me better? Or maybe none of them?
I offer: skiing skills, alpine climb experience, love for licorice, dried fish and BUTTER. Out going, activism for human rights, love big dogs, MBA in mathematics, ironman distance Triathlet, lifeguard license, bad dad jokes! a living 4 year old sourdough starter! I can make 11 different German breads. Please take me Scandinavia 😅
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The original was posted on /r/sweden by /u/Squirrelventure at 2023-07-05 10:41:15+00:00.
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-05 10:44:47+00:00 ID:
jqqpfl2Norway, by far. Sweden is in steep decline and norway is doing better than ever.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 10:48:37+00:00 ID:
jqqpqsgInteresting would you like to go on a little bit of detail on this one?
Ok_Choice_2656 at 2023-07-05 10:52:52+00:00 ID:
jqqq3atJudging by the posters previous comments he's the typical right wing cultural warrior that whines about immigration, too generous welfare system, political correctness and muslims. I would guess that is his main gripe
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 11:01:16+00:00 ID:
jqqqsekI couldn’t understand all of that, because he mostly writes in Swedish but from some of the words i understood. It seems like Sweden is quite right wing oriented. That’s why i was aiming for the big white north of Sweden. Like Ume(å). Not interested in the crowded south at all. Towards too generous welfare system. Haha i guess that’s a common problem, many Germans also think we are too generous with refugees. But it’s okay I make like 260k a year. If you do not want my tax. I’ll just give it all to Norway :D
Ok_Choice_2656 at 2023-07-05 11:21:22+00:00 ID:
jqqsiojUmeå is probably a good pick. You should probably look for larger towns (like Umeå) if not cities if you want to find likeminded people. Smaller, more rural areas can be great of course but there is more if a gamble as you could be struggling to find likeminded people in some of them. I would guess the same applies to norway.
That being said, Norway is a great country as well. I have no doubt that you will find what you are looking for in either country.
Admirable_Ad8721 at 2023-07-05 13:30:15+00:00 ID:
jqr66wvCome and visit, Umeå Is nice and dare I say a relativly easy town to meat people. Why I say that Is because of It being a universitytown there Is more of people moving In and not just locals that have had the same friends since they were five
WhiteLama at 2023-07-05 11:07:37+00:00 ID:
jqqrbvgThe more north and the more rural you go the less immigrant friendly it gets because in the south there’s been immigrants for a longer time (for better and for worse).
I’d say Sweden and Norway are both amazing countries to move to, and no one will bat an eye at you being Asian, lgbtq, a spider, missing limbs or telling bad dad jokes in either country anyway.
bronet at 2023-07-05 16:27:39+00:00 ID:
jqrvaryRural: yes.
North: this is a huge surprise to me...? Generally, people further north are way more tolerable than southerners on most social issues. Mainly because, well, they're further left.
Rural Skåne is way WAY less immigrant friendly than other parts of the country.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 11:49:34+00:00 ID:
jqqv20oI think so too. Both countries are amazing and offer dried fish and liquorice so it’s very hard to decide. :D
Polisskolan3 at 2023-07-05 11:13:58+00:00 ID:
jqqrvlsI don't think most Swedes have a problem with Asians in general, but you may want to be careful not to give the impression that you're Chinese or in any way associated with China if you want to avoid negative treatment. If you're German with Asian appearance, you should probably be fine though.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 11:29:06+00:00 ID:
jqqt7jeI am banned in China, can’t enter the country for protesting pro Hongkong and free Uyghurs… so ya I guess we can bash about china all together…
Polisskolan3 at 2023-07-05 11:41:52+00:00 ID:
jqqud4sI'm not personally interested in bashing China, but a lot of Swedes are so may enjoy that together.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 11:52:21+00:00 ID:
jqqvbetI think there is plenty of stuff people can talk about personally I like to talk about fun ne more positive stuff, rather than complaining all day long. People will go to the more extrem sides, once the society starts to polarized is hard to recover. Unless Tour de France goes though Sweden and they are giving away croissants for free.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 11:52:29+00:00 ID:
jqqvbv6I think there is plenty of stuff people can talk about personally I like to talk about fun ne more positive stuff, rather than complaining all day long. People will go to the more extrem sides, once the society starts to polarized is hard to recover. Unless Tour de France goes though Sweden and they are giving away croissants for free.
Kenail_Rintoon at 2023-07-05 11:28:40+00:00 ID:
jqqt66yNorthern Sweden is a good choice for work and cheaper although still expensive housing. Umeå is extremely left wing lbtq friendly with a very large percentage of students and young people. Also has a large contingent of both immigrants and foreign students so being asian is if anything a bonus. I think you would like it there.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 11:54:58+00:00 ID:
jqqvkm9Thank you for your comment. It’s really nice to see people here actually telling me: Sweden is nice and not pushing me towards norway. No offense on norway, Norway is amazing I won’t immediately going to move in 2025. so there is still time for me to decide and learn the languages.
brakfart at 2023-07-05 12:14:45+00:00 ID:
jqqxkgaAre you gonna work in the said country as well, or do you have the work sorted out when you move?
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 12:43:28+00:00 ID:
jqr0nftI have a job now and I have worked with a major Silicon valley company so i am not worried about finding a job. But i think it might be fair to tax there, where you live to contribute your part to the society.
brakfart at 2023-07-05 12:48:31+00:00 ID:
jqr17vdFor sure. Just beware that the job market up north is slower as well. If you're able to work remotely to say Germany, you'll be relatively rich in Umeå.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 12:54:02+00:00 ID:
jqr1uo7Very cool! Then I’ll go and buy two mangos make a fruit salad and share it with my neighbours over bonfire. :) Money won’t make anyone happy, for myself speaking as someone who cycled though many counties and sleeps in tents. It’s better to share and have a good community. I would be happy to work as teach or as lifeguard instead of working in a big profit oriented tech firm.
flexez at 2023-07-05 11:13:15+00:00 ID:
jqqrtdyUmeå is one of the safest and best cities in the country. I love that city (though I don’t live there). But you do you, personally I don’t like some of the politics in Norway.
Remember that a lot of people in Sweden also have a ”the grass is always greener on the other side” opinion.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 12:44:56+00:00 ID:
jqr0talI guess the grass is indeed greener on the other side due to Gulf Stream. 😅 bad dad jokes.
PopulistSkattejurist at 2023-07-05 11:04:25+00:00 ID:
jqqr1x1Sweden is falling in many international rankings, still in the top in many categories though, just not cemented in the top 5 as we used to be.
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-05 10:56:57+00:00 ID:
jqqqkvaThe swedish currency is at an all time low, the housing market is in steady decline (which is where the swedish "wealth" is), inflation is high, crime is rising and gangs are taking over more and more of society. School results are declining, unemployment is rising. Healthcare is a joke, among the worst in europe. Infrastructure is crumbling. The large growing muslim population is starting to organize, so all your "woke" interests will soon be threathened.
Meanwhile norway is selling oil and gas making billions of dollars that they put straight into infrastructure projects and investments that will secure the country for generations to come.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 11:08:20+00:00 ID:
jqqre1fThank you for your expiations :) I know these Problem seems severe and i think Germany and Sweden share a lot of these same problems. But these things are manageable. Because these are goods factors. Goods can be made, replaced and changed with new representatives. The German train system is a joke our punctuality is at 59%. German transport ministry spend more than 80% of the tax on highway repair. Only 70km of new train rails has been built. The health care is a joke. We do not have enough beds and personell for the pediatric department! Many children has to be sent away. Not enough certain (breast) cancer medication, antibiotics. I have waited 3 days till my East European packaging antibiotics arrived. The inflation is high among all European countries. I won’t worry too much about that, we are far away from Turkey state. I am more interested in the social climate of Sweden. Because the political and social climate is something which is considered as harder to change, take a lot of effort and time.
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-05 11:21:40+00:00 ID:
jqqsjmrAnd as you can see, pointing these things out instantly made someone attack me for being a "racist right wing internet warrior". That's how it always goes when politicians try to achieve tangible change.
JumpyFile at 2023-07-05 11:29:09+00:00 ID:
jqqt7oeI think the problem is that you’re making it sound like the apocalypse is near, while the truth is that most people in Sweden are living very comfortable lives. Trademark behavior of a racist right wing internet warrior
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-05 12:06:32+00:00 ID:
jqqwpypThere is no apocalypse, just a steady decline. The frog in boiling water analogy is fitting here.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 12:33:58+00:00 ID:
jqqzm44I think we are frogs all sitting in boiling water. Climate crisis is real, alienation is real, polarization of citizens are real. No one really want to work together everyone works for their own interests that’s why we are all frogs and we will keep boiling in here till we die then the next generation will wipe our asses. I see many of these problems but we also have to do something about it, find solutions , work together, get know eachother gather our our assets. Use that instead of everyone working for themselves.
hummusen at 2023-07-05 11:19:02+00:00 ID:
jqqsbg3This comment is full of factual errors tho. Housing market is not in steady decline, it declined 2022 and is now increasing in 2023 (like in Norway and most of Western Europe)
Swedish’s schools are performing better today than 10 years ago.
Inflation is high tho, but that true in almost all of Europe, and is coming down quickly now.
Their is no data on the size of the Muslim population so no one can tell if it’s growing. It defenitely was growing until 2015, when the establishment changes immigration rule to be much tougher. Their is little to no Muslim (or religious at all) influence in Swedish society.
Unemployment is decreasing and at a 15 year low.
Health care is among the best in Europe.
Swedish infrastructure is good. Norway is better, they got the oil money. However public transport for daily commute is defenitely better in Stockholm than in Oslo, so sometimes Sweden win here.
I do agree about the problem with gang crime tho. It has been a growing problem for 10 years, last election was all about it and the right wing government is working on it. It’s not really a problem for Swedes anyway, it is criminals dealing with other criminals. Still a problem.
But don’t listen to this guy, he/she is clearly a far right winger or maybe even a Russian agent.
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-05 12:03:09+00:00 ID:
jqqvrtqRussian agent? Tror du verkligen på det?
Jo, bostadsmarknaden är på nedgång. Nybyggen har i princip stoppats, vilket är den tydligaste markören. Priserna har gått ner 10% på ett år med 10% inflation. Realvärdet på bostaden har då sjunkit med nästan 20%. Taget tillsammans med att svenskars förmögenhet är främst kopplat till bostäder så har vi alla blivit väldigt mycket fattigare och med tanke på att räntan precis höjdes så lär utvecklingen fortsätta. Lägg till en kraschande valuta på detta så börjar det handla om ofantliga summor som vi svenskar tappar. Varför är man en rysk agent eller extremhöger för att vara oroad över detta?
Svenska skolor är inte bättre än för 20 år sedan, och fler och fler går ut skolan med bristfälliga kunskaper. Barnen kan varken språk eller matematik.
Sjukvården är också i totalt förfall. Vi har inte nog med personal för att hålla öppet operationssalarna och vi har bottennivå i antal sjukhussängar och kötider. Nästan hälften av alla som behöver en operation får vänta längre än 90 dagar. En bekant har väntat i 3 år på en operation på kirurgiavdelningen i ett av Sveriges främsta och största sjukhus, de opererar bara cancerpatienter och patienter från akuten.
Vad är så bra med infrastrukturen? Vi ligger back med tusentals miljarder i underhåll och satsningar på vägar, elnät, järnvägar och flygplatser.
hummusen at 2023-07-05 12:37:19+00:00 ID:
jqqzz4eTrams, du svartmålar saker som är helt normala.
Bostadspriserna går ner 10% ett år? Och? Det är helt normalt, har hänt förut och kommer att hända igen.
Valutan är svag? Och? Vi har rörlig växelkurs JUST FÖR ATT den ska gå upp och ner. Svag valuta stimulerar Sveriges ekonomi, och då blir valutan stark igen. Det har hänt förut och kommer att hända igen.
Sveriges PISA resultat är bättre idag än nästan alla år under 2000-talet, trenden vändes nångång kring 2013-2015, nya läroplaner kom 2011 vilket antagligen är anledningen. I många av delarna i PISA har Sverige högst resultat i Norden. Vet inte vad du gaggar om här.
Sjukvården är inte i nån slags kollaps. LOL. Jag har själv varit mycket på sjukvården i vår pga en seneuptur. Svensk sjukvård är inte felfri, men fungerar som den ska. Operationsköer är ett problem i långa länder med åldrande befolkningar. Inte särskilt anmärkningsvärt.
Tusentals miljarder back på infrastruktur? Var kommer den siffran igen? Att vi LIGGER back indikerar ju att infrastrukturen redan idag inte fungerar. Men Sverige har rätt mkt högre standard än typ alla europeiska länder jag har besökt, mycket mer utbyggd kollektivtrafik än USA osv. Du gaggar bara på utan att basera det på nåt.
Du är antagligen inte en rysk agent, du är inte tillräckligt smart.
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-05 13:14:19+00:00 ID:
jqr497bNej, att en stor del av befolkningen tappar 20-25% av sin förmögenhet på ett år är inte normalt. När hände det senast?
Att en svag valuta skulle vara bra är verkligen ett höger-påhitt. Vi är alla fattigare. Vi är så pass importberoende att det stjälper mer än det hjälper när det kommer till ekonomin i stort. Att vi har den svagaste kronan någonsin är inte normalt.
Andelen elever med underkänt i svenska, matematik eller engelska har ökat stadigt och ingenting tyder på att trenden kommer att brytas. Det är inte normalt.
Vi ligger i botten i vårdköer och sjukhussängar och det blir sämre och sämre. Kollaps vet jag inte, men snart börjar U-länder gå ifrån oss. Det är inte normalt. Ditt påstående om att vi ligger i topp i EU är en ren lögn.
Bara elnätet behöver nästan 700 miljarder. Lägg till all elproduktion vi behöver de närmsta 20 åren så blir det några 100 miljarder till. Sen är det tåg för hundratals miljarder på det.
hummusen at 2023-07-05 13:22:56+00:00 ID:
jqr5areSå fastighetspriser ska inte gå ner enligt dig? Gör de det är det onormalt? Vet inte varför du räknar i reella priser heller. Har man haft pengar på ett konto har man ju också tappt 10-15% av sin förmögenhet då, aktier likaså. Och detta i typ varenda land i världen. Befängt att tro att förmögenheter bara ska öka öka öka.
Som sagt, det om skolan stämmer helt enkelt inte. Sjukvården likaså.
Infrastruktur. Håller med att det behövs investeringar, men det betyder inte att vi ligger back. Alla länder behöver investera i infrastruktur hela tiden, inget konstigt öht med det. Den här svartmålningen är helt galen.
Shear-buckle at 2023-07-05 13:43:26+00:00 ID:
jqr7ui3Vad de ska eller inte ska göra kan jag inte säga så mycket om. Vad som är onormalt är takten de gått ner samtidigt som vi haft en mycket hög inflation. Självklart har alla länder drabbats, men det slår extra hårt i Sverige eftersom vi har haft den största nedgången i bostadsmarknaden och störst del av vår förmögenhet i bostadens värde. Sen är vi kraftigt belånade så att de höjda räntorna slår mycket hårt på hushållens ekonomi. Jag räknar i reella priser för att det är vad som spelar roll.
Vadå stämmer inte? Det är fakta att andelen elever utan godkända betyg i svenska, matematik eller engelska har ökat. Det är fakta att vi ligger i botten i antal vårdplatser och i vårdköer. Det är helt galet att försöka hävda att vi ligger i topp i Europa.
Behovet och takten av infrastruktursatsningar är högst relevant när man jämför Sverige och Norge. Norge spenderar 50% mer än oss på infrastruktur sett till BNP och dom ökar takten varje år. Vi har stagnerat i jämförelse.
Squirrelventure (OP) at 2023-07-05 12:00:08+00:00 ID:
jqqw398Hi Hummusen ( fellow hummus lover?) Thank you for clearing up a lot of the misunderstands. I honestly do not know why so many Swedes dislike Muslim people, probably the culture difference is too big and less time to get to know eachother. (wildly guessing here). I am not very much interested in cars, am a cyclist and care a lot about environment. But glad to hear sweden is not gonna collapse soon. Would be bad for all of the 10mio Citizens.
SeaZealousideal263 at 2023-07-05 11:37:31+00:00 ID:
jqqtyz9Good answer. Lots of shitty posts in here. Norway has similar problems with immigration / integration
I’d like to add that Stockholm is arguably more interesting than Oslo, which should be compared with Gothenburg
EasyLengthWise at 2023-07-05 11:41:47+00:00 ID:
jqqucuoOslo must be utterly pathetic
SeaZealousideal263 at 2023-07-05 11:47:22+00:00 ID:
jqquuviDet är en betydligt tråkigare och fulare stad än Stockholm ja
Edit: Nu ser jag var din passiva aggressivitet kommer ifrån. Du är en drogliberal ”festa är livet”-typ som är frälst av KPH. Jag fattar, du älskar klubbar och Christiania och tycker att Sthlm och Sverige suger. Newsflash: även du kommer att växa upp en dag.