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I just got up from conversation with a couple of older black men, that I said "well I got to go back to work and start cracking the whip." And it occurred to me then that it was probably a really insensitive stupid thing to say.

Sadly, it hadn't occurred to me until it's already said.

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[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I hate how everybody else gets to judge whether or not someone’s speech is offensive, regardless of what someone intended

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's just how humans are. It's not just about words but actions too. If you get drunk and drive your vehicle and hit and kill someone you go to jail. You didn't intend to kill anyone so why should you be held responsible? Sure intent matters but it's not the only thing that matters.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If you get drunk and drive, you had the intention to do something you knew could result in someone being killed. The intent very much matters in determining responsibility, and it's the reason you'd likely be charged with involuntary manslaughter, but not murder.

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Though some people have been convicted of murder in such cases.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

My point wasn't that intent doesn't matter, it's that a lack of intent doesn't mean you can get off. You didn't intend to kill anyone but still get charged for killing them.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

The only thing I hate is the impatience with which some people act when something offends them.

I get that anger or frustration is the motivator but if this person who offended you is not just some random asshole, speak up and explain first. Maybe some people aren’t pieces of shit, they’re just repeating phrases they’ve heard a million times and never thought about.

Not everyone’s had that moment of realization that there is a ton of colloquial slang that is (or has been repurposed to be) a really fucked up dog whistle.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah it sucks but also it’s both gut feelings and self defense against bad actors.

Being a person is hard and that’s one of the ways. But also we get to decide how we respond to it. Some things like OP’s example naturally feel “oh fuck yeah I shouldn’t’ve said that” other things leave a conflict of opinion.

Words can hurt. And intentions matter when we hurt people but they aren’t the only thing that matters. Someone hurt in a car crash caused by you driving poorly may decide that they don’t want to give you another chance to drive with them in the car and that’s their choice.

How we respond to accidentally hurting people though will speak volumes about us. Do we apologize and attempt to change, ever striving to be a more positive force in everyone’s lives? Or do we lash out or respond with apathy, even when third parties say we’re in the wrong? I know who I’m trying to be, and I hope others see the value in that person.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I watched a college professor asking a Korean if they ever considered the work "Nega" (you) could be construed as offensive to people. Like, bruh.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

The Spanish community having to pick a new name for a color (as if the new one wouldn't be used the same way).

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

Screw this racist comment! ;)