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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 97 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

This just begs the question

Why do we allow a major embargo of an entire island nation and allow an entire people to live without the proper necessities and resources in order to maintain their nation?

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 122 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

President Obama began to ease the embargo restrictions in 2016, allowing for travel and investments. It was Trump, in 2017, who reinstated the embargo in full. Probably just because Obama relaxed it.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 19 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Then Biden got into office and uh,

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Hey, too close to election for me to not fervently call out misinformation bullshit like this:

It was The Trump Administration who signed the National Security Presidential Memorandum (NSPM-5)

National Security Presidential Memorandum (NSPM-5): Signed on June 16, 2017, this policy outlined the Trump administration's approach to rolling back aspects of the Cuba normalization process. It directed restrictions on travel, business dealings with Cuban entities controlled by the military, and restrictions on educational and cultural exchanges.

It was Donald Trump who directed the creation of the Cuba Restricted List

The U.S. Department of State, following Trump's directives, created a list of Cuban entities with which direct financial transactions are prohibited. This list largely includes businesses owned by or affiliated with the Cuban military, intelligence, or security services. It was first issued in November 2017 and has been updated several times since.

Has absolutely nothing to do with Biden or his administration. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 32 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

I was more pointing out how Biden has done little or nothing to REVERSE Trump's regressions despite having the power to.

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[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I think he's implying Biden didn't roll back Trump's policy or try to begin normalization again.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Biden isn't running anymore. You don't have to defend his unwillingness to roll back Trump policy anymore.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's a shitton of Trump's policies that need reversing.

But, as always, it takes more time, effort and resources to build or fix something than it does to break them.

Biden's admin has been working through the heap, but some things take priority over others.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Biden’s admin has been working through the heap, but some things take priority over others.

Particularly when it comes to foreign policy.

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

which one of his sponsors is profiting from the embargo?

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 11 points 4 weeks ago

https://press.un.org/en/2023/ga12552.doc.htm

UN discussion on how damaging the embargo is

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

Because the people there didn’t allow US capitalists to exploit them and their resources; because the people started to organize themselves and their resources around public interest; because they were voting in leaders who didn’t allow US elite to exploit them.

And so they must be punished.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Longest embargo in US history!

... probably done as a deterrent against other near by nations looking to station nuclear arms in close proximity.

Stops places like Mexico, Canada, or Panama from making an offer to China, Iran, North Korea, or Russia to station Nuclear their silos/launch bases for them.

Canada is probably still thinking about it though.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

You can control a nation's ability to import and receive nuclear weapons, especially if you are trying to control the supply of arms ...... it doesn't mean you get to starve and decimate an entire country just because you don't like their politics or they don't happen to support you.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 8 points 4 weeks ago

doesn't mean you get to starve and decimate an entire country just because you don't like their politics

I think the history of the US and every other imperial power ever would disagree.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

So, while I would agree, politics has unfortunate side effects, both internal cuban politics, and external cuban politics, as the cuban exiles really, REALLY want to get all their shit back.

We shouldn't be in it, but our Cubans hijacked a large part of our politics by living in such a strong swing state, so we're at the mercy of them as much as anyone.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

Unfortunately like so many things in this world the severity is the point.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Canada is probably still thinking about it though.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The US has an embargo, but Mexico and Canada don't. Cuba can and does buy goods from them. Cuba's real problem is paying for them. The US does not embargo food or medicine goods to Cuba, yet the country has problems feeding their people. Poor economic management of a communist country with no real resources.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Cuba can't pay because Cuba can't conduct normal finances with the rest of world because of the US embargo

It's like having having someone handcuff you, cuff you feet and pin you to the ground and rest their knee on your neck and ask you why you can't get up on your own.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The US has an embargo, but Mexico and Canada don't.

Technically, but the US has sanctioned companies in other countries who do business in Cuba scaring off a ton of possible choices. The companies have to choose between the richest company on earth and Cuba. Not much of a choice.

Plus IIRC boats that go to Cuba can't go to the US after for some period of time. Which considering location makes it hugely inconvenient for shipping companies.

Plus since the US and US based companies control a huge portion of the world's financial systems Cuba is locked out of all of them