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When was the public ever in favor of this?
Never was. Their goal was to sneak it past the voters, that's why they keep lying about what's in it and concealing Trump's connection to it.
Sneaking it past the voters by...
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...publishing the entire agenda on Project2025.org.
This isn't a one and done thing. P2025 is the Heritage foundation, long time conservative economic think tank funded by the Kochs. They're pushing this agenda and it doesn't matter who knows since this is a plan to seize power. They put out these demented sounding policy agenda and they stick to the plan, more or less, in working toward. Trying out different wordings, spamming out policy proposals and voting agenda items like the ones in this plan; copy pasted from existing bills written for other States. Look at how trans legislation is going in this country.
In the media they'll try out different framings of these issues, start bringing in grifters in the media to frame these issues "creatively" to the public. Most of these framings will be terrible, awful, but one will catch on and then it becomes part of public consciousness almost over night.
And they're doing this for all of these issues. People sometimes say that the capitalist class only cares about the next quarter, but these think tanks funded by the capitalist class, are able to look ahead decades. A good example of this is the Powell memo, written in the 70s by the chamber of commerce. Compared to when it was written they've gotten maybe 85% of what they asked for, and the mechanisms to get that last fraction of whatever is left of the US labor movement have been working and are "interpreted" into law by our conservative supreme court and the closely-linked Federalist Society.
Project 2025 gets rejected by a mostly ambivalent voting base. Big defeat, Democrats patting each other on the back. But the machine keeps working for decades as long as there's funding coming from major donors; unless it gets completely defeated, as in the people responsible are put on trial, Nuremberg style.
This seems like a good place to link Robert Evans BTB episode: "How Conservatism Won" in which "Robert sits down with David Bell to discuss how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all)." The tl;dr is basically the rich hated FDRs New Deal and immediately set to work to undo everything he did.
The above commenter has nailed it, it's not even a conspiracy, it's all easily verifiable. These people do not share our American values. They do not value freedoms (speech, press, religion, etc) the same way that many of us do. They want a return to the gilded age with them as the robber barons and gentry and everyone else as a permanent, toiling underclass.
It's literally a conspiracy.
He meant conspiracy theory. There is nothing theoretical about this conspiracy.
Maybe, but there's a weird stigma around "conspiracies" like they are politically unserious, or something that only people having paranoid delusions believe. Conspiracy theories often appear around very real evidence that is contradictory to the official story, or coincidences that are too frequent and conspicuous to be ignored. The milieu that has grown up around conspiracy theories is practically a consumer identity at this point, and often accomplishes little more than masking antisemitism, or providing passive revenue streams to mysterious grifter entities, like Q. But nothing will make you seem like more of a nut than telling your friends three things that the CIA openly admits to doing. Misinformation is and always has been rampant.
I don't have a lot of patience for conspiracy theories, but if you look at history there are a lot of incidents that were denied by the official story, and the people saying them were humiliated or had their careers destroyed or worse; that later it turns out they were correct when files get declassified decades later. So I'm just speaking to the stigma against the idea of conspiracies, they exist. People with similar interests "conspire," sometimes diabolically, to ensure their interests come to fruition. And to deny that is dangerously naive.
Sure, in language that obfuscates their actual goals and after all the other subversive shit like installing their puppet judges to the supreme court that led to those goals becoming remotely achievable against the will of voters at large.
Even if they don’t get these goals passed at a federal level, it works as a playbook for state lawmakers. Some of us are already living under those kinds of rules, and the next legislative sessions are going to see lots of these kinds of things pushed in states.
The duality of their situation.
You got the people who know the score and the true objective: To leverage a tenuous victorious position to tilt the scales persistently in their favor in a rather undemocratic way. For them, this is something to shut the hell up about and do on the down low.
Then you have the true believers, who think this is a plan to clean up some perceived "deep state" conspiracy to cheat the elections, and only fair to "fix" the problem that the popular voice is not being honored. Those are the folks that wanted a big ol website for it and to shout it from the rooftops.
Now of course, you'd think the true believers might get a bit rattled at the apparent eagerness to bury it and keep quiet and not tell the voters about it too much.
And then we have the legions of young men who worship Andrew Tate that either openly support P2025 because “women bad” or act like it’s not a real thing.
Yes, a 900+ page manifesto made by a think tank was made for the lulz.
Really shows that checks on government actions only works when the checks do something and have the power to act on it.
This is something inherent in Parliament based governments. In theory, the Prime Minister is suppose to be held accountable by their own political party. However, in reality the Prime Minister's party just goes with whatever the Prime Minister says.
At no point in time. But it seems the public was largely ignorant, and thus apathetic, of it. The more knowledge, the more resistance.
The perfect plan for a Judge Dredd universe. But the public just HAD to be all, "oh, we don't LIKE that plan. It prevents us from staying alive!"