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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 65 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Something tells me Karl Marx wouldn't like these things either.

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[–] LittleBorat2@lemmy.ml 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These westerners are social democrats which is not hard to understand, it's wiki entry away.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It’s infuriating considering that it’s in the first goddamn sentence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.

If those libs could read they’d be very upset.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Words mean what they're used to mean. Even the word "government" is wildly different between Europe and the US. We flip out over headlines like the government of Belgium has collapsed! and it's only as much of a kerfuffle as the House trying to elect a Speaker.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

If ever there was a real world example of Newspeak, it is how—thanks to class war and three red scares—the working class no longer even has a word for socialism. So now welfare capitalists like Bernie Sanders call themselves socialist despite never calling for the abolition of the private ownership of the means of production. It’s an amazing achievement of the capitalist class’ propaganda machine.

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 months ago (19 children)

Man im pretty socialist who lives in ex east germany with my parents actually being parz of that time and i gotta tell you, with what i hear from them, it was horrible

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[–] ChiefSinner@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just hate murderous regimes that murder millions of their own people

FTFY

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Average imperial core Cold Warrior understander.

[–] ChiefSinner@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The US is included in my list too with the Native American genocide for what its worth lol. But people tend to forget that Soviet Russia and Communist China killed millions of their own people. They should not be praised or imitated. We should learn from the horrible mistakes of the past.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

By millions murdered, you don’t mean people who died in the last famine in China after centuries of famines, and you don’t mean the last famine in the region that became the USSR after centuries of famines, right? Famines that happened during or soon after the bloody revolutions overthrowing the tsars and emperors, under which the previous famines occurred?

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[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 4 months ago

Ah right, we are in the meme community. Carry on.

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 9 points 4 months ago (7 children)

... And? A lot of socialists are also libertarian in equal measure.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is it so much to ask that workers councils be in charge instead of some revolutionary

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

The history of socialist movements shows that it is. Rosa Luxemburg was right over a hundred years ago.

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's no contradiction there.

[–] emidio@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago

lemmy.world

[–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I kinda suspect ты из Калининграда

[–] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

виновен

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

"Those countries reflect poorly on socialism."

"How dare you, they're not really socialist."

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