I'm so tired of living in a world of impending doom. This is hell.
this post was submitted on 25 Jul 2023
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The phrase “may you live in interesting times” is a curse.
"Despite being so common in English as to be known as the "Chinese curse", the saying is apocryphal, and no actual Chinese source has ever been produced." - Wikipedia
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And they know how to fucking fix it but don't want to
It'd be like if in the movie Armageddon the government just said "Eh let's see if it really will be that bad if it hits us"
So Don't Look Up.
That movie felt way too real watching it.
This is because you're not sorting your recycling!
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Good news! Soon the doom won't be impending!
Have you tried being absurdly wealthy?
I haven't myself, but I hear it makes it all worth it.
It’s on my to-do list.
I just long for a time when the conspiracy theorists are yelling about the end of the world and the scientists are running the country, not the other way around.
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TL;DR: New statistical model suggests that the AMOC (including gulf stream) could collapse to the much slower pattern by 2025 to 2095. This is a century earlier than previous predictions and the researchers were concerned. There is some questions on the accuracy of the model used, and that needs more research.
Personally I don't think we should wait for further testing to vet the model before acting. Try to do better now.
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We could try to vote people who will take action OR incentivize consumers to be more proactive BUT. Neither is ever going to happen.
I was having dinner with my brother's family and we were watching an interview with some celebrity that my sister-in-law adores. Dude is heavy in green activism and lists fast food places which are bad actors for climate and also farmers rights, etc. So my SiL announces we are never eating at such and such place again (I can't remember, I never eat fast food anyway). The very next night they order takeout from said fast food place. They also always order same day deliver from Amazon despite it never actually arriving same day, but they get packages every damn day. Tons and tons of packaging for crap they always throw out or give away to neighbors eventually. This isn't unique to them.
This is MOST of America and I suspect the rest of the developed world. We are effed.
cant elect people in america who would do anything, when we're busy trying to fend off full blown fourth reichdom by electing the least awful candidate each election.
I posted this twice now.
But carbon taxes, externality corrections, cost of recycling plastic is in the cost of the product. Let the market fix it all. But no, people won't even agree to raise taxes on fuel
Well that’s pretty scary.. I mean, at least the scientists say that it’s more likely the current will just slow down rather than completely collapse? But then again, all the climate change models predicted a much more conservative timeline on when we would be experiencing the effects of climate change than what is actually happening in the real world now.. so idk, scary shit man ☹️
they also have admitted to only announcing the most optimistic results because nobody would believe them if they didn't, and if people did it would be devastating
Ugh, and of course because of that people have been dragging their feet on making necessary changes to the point of doing basically nothing anyway… I feel like the risk of people saying it’s too extreme maybe would have been worth instilling a sense of panic in people over climate change? Feels panic worthy to me
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If how conservative they've been in the past is any indication, this is going to happen next monday
Yeah, for real though considering they are saying it could happen anywhere from 2025 (wtaf) to 2095 (lol)
I made a poster about this for an assignment when I was primary school, like 18 years ago. Ffs
We should have listened, but your poster was washed from the main stream media!
Title gore.
As long as we finally get colder weather and snow in Germany again, I'm all for it. No, not really because it's horrible but I try to see the positive things.
You might like the weather but you'll have some issues with an utterly collapsed food chain
If anyone wants to read more about AMOC, here is a description from NASA along with the NASA illustration that was in the article:
BRIEF: As the ocean warms and land ice melts, ocean circulation — the movement of heat around the planet by currents — could be impacted. Research with NASA satellites and other data is currently underway to learn more.
Edit: climate.nasa.gov is fantastic for this kind of stuff, btw. They have tons of data from their satellites you can download, visualizations, videos, charts, graphics, tutorials...just all sorts of things. It's very cool.
I can remember a time when elon musk was still saying smart things... like if there's even a 1% chance of it destroying the planet. We should do everything to avoid it.
did we see this movie already?
insert meme of sitting inside house burning down "this is fine"
What would this result in, if this happens?
I asked Bing chat a similar question. Here the sobering answer:
The Gulf Stream is a crucial system of ocean currents that plays a vital role in Earth's climate. If it were to collapse, the consequences would be significant and abrupt. Some of the potential consequences include:
- Fast sea level rise in the Atlantic¹
- More extreme winters in Western Europe¹
- Disruptions to monsoon systems in the tropics¹
- Greater cooling and more powerful storms across the Northern Hemisphere¹
- Severe disruption to the rain that billions of people rely upon to grow crops in Africa, South America, and India¹
- Extreme cold to Europe and parts of North America¹
- Raised sea levels along the U.S. East Coast¹
- Endangerment of the Amazon rainforest and Antarctic ice sheets¹
It is important to note that scientists are warning that the Gulf Stream could collapse at any time². The shutdown of this ocean current could lead to serious consequences globally, impacting heat and rainfall distribution². A major Atlantic current could collapse by midcentury as a result of climate change, prompting extreme cold in Europe and sea level rise along the eastern coast of the U.S., according to a study³. It is crucial that we take action to prevent this from happening.
(1) Gulf Stream: A crucial system of ocean currents is showing signs of .... https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/world/climate-gulf-stream-collapse-warning-study-intl/index.html.
(2) The Gulf Stream could collapse at 'any time'. https://www.msn.com/en-au/weather/topstories/the-gulf-stream-could-collapse-at-any-time/ss-AA1elwYA.
(3) Atlantic Ocean currents system could collapse this century from climate change: study. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4118630-atlantic-ocean-currents-system-collapse-climate-change/.
(4) The Gulf Stream Is in Danger of Collapsing as Early as 2025. https://www.theinertia.com/environment/gulf-stream-collapse-2025/.
(5) Gulf stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests.
(6) Scientists Are Warning of Gulf Stream Collapse | Futurism. https://futurism.com/collapse-ocean-currents-freeze-north-america-europe.
So nothing major right? Business as usual.
I don't know about the former, but yes to the latter.
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Those are all the problems for places that don't get the heat the AMOC moves. It doesn't list the problem for the places where that heat doesn't leave.
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