this post was submitted on 07 May 2024
96 points (98.0% liked)

Privacy

32120 readers
396 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Related communities

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Virtual private networking (VPN) companies market their services as a way to prevent anyone from snooping on your Internet usage. But new research suggests this is a dangerous assumption when connecting to a VPN via an untrusted network, because attackers on the same network could force a target’s traffic off of the protection provided by their VPN without triggering any alerts to the user.

top 22 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Use a killswitch then... no vpn, no internet

[–] reflectedodds@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In our testing, the VPN always continued to report as connected, and the kill switch was never engaged to drop our VPN connection.

This is the only place they mention kill switch. I feel like it needs a slight clarification on whether it was enabled and didn't work, or if was just disabled and therefore not "engaged".

[–] noride@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

The Killswitch only checks that VPN is up, not whether traffic is correctly routed over it.

[–] niucllos@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As I understood it, VPNs don't work in this threat model because it's essentially routing traffic through a compromised router before it ever reaches the VPN, so the VPN acts normally but there's a snooper before you ever connect to it

[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Huh? I thought the whole point of a VPN is to encrypt all traffic between my PC and the VPN server. Please be so kind and educate me on anything I have a misconception of:

For example, I use Safing Portmaster and I have set it up in a way where all the packets have to go through their VPN and if they don't, they get dropped before they leave my PC.

Before that I was running openvpn with a killswitch, which I thought besically did the same, it had a tunnel to the VPN server and if it is down, no packet leaves the PC.

Is that not how VPNs normally work?

[–] groet@feddit.de 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I have set it up in a way where all the packets have to go through their VPN and if they don't, they get dropped before they leave my PC.

That is the function of a firewall and not of the VPN. As I understand portmaster it does both. But that is not normal VPN behavior.

VPNs are not magic. They are a piece of software that encrypt traffic and send it to a special server. They do that by creating a virtual Internet connection (think like pluging in an additional Ethernet cable or connection to an addition WiFi at the same time). Everything that is sent through the virtual connection is encrypted. Your system now has (at least) two valid Internet connections (one real and one virtual). For every packet it sends it needs to decide which connection it should send it from. This is decided by something called the routing table. When you start the VPN it will put two routes into the table.

  • traffic going to the VPN server goes through the real connection (so the encrypted VPN traffic is routed correctly)
  • everything else goes through the virtual connection (the VPN tunnel where it gets encrypted)

The attack described is a way how a network router can add a new route into your devices routing table to basically override the second route from the VPN. The route is still there, there just is another one that has a higher priority.

A VPN is not the ultimate authority over your network traffic. It is just another program sending and recieving taffic.

[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I think I get it now!

I did look into it with ip route show when using nothing vs portmaster vs openvpn and it is just like you said, when using openVPN it just creates additional routes with a higher priority, but the normal route is still open.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying it could not happen, but when you use VPN, the local network equipment does not determine protocols, the VPN infrastructure and it's configuration in the device do. Any local connection, including the internet gateway, just serve as the road for those packets to go out or come in.

If anyone thinks I'm wrong, please let me know, I'm not 100% certain this is the case, but it is my understanding of how VPNs work.

[–] noride@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You aren't wrong, per se, I think you just don't fully grasp the attack vector. This is related to DHCP option 121, which allows routes to be fed to the client when issuing the ip address required for VPN connectivity. Using this option, they can send you a preferred default route as part of the DHCP response that causes the client to route traffic out of the tunnel without them knowing.

E. It would likely only be select traffic routing out of the tunnel. I could, for example, send you routes so that all traffic destined for Chase Bank ip addresses comes back to me instead of traversing the tunnel. Much harder to detect.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Oh crap! That's concerning as hell. I'm going to try that in my PFSense and test it with ProtonVPN, Tailscale, Wireguard to my UnRaid and NordVPN. See if maybe any of them have a way of hardening that, or at least completely dropping the packages if not.

If no VPN can be hardened for this, is there a chance that Tor or I2P can be used to avoid it instead?

Thank you very much for such a wakeup call.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This won't mitigate this specific attack, however running your VPN as a full tunnel will.

[–] noride@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Full tunnel would not mitigate this attack because smaller routes are preferred over larger ones. So, sure, 0.0.0.0/0 is routed over the tunnel, but a route for 8.8.8.8/32 pointing to somewhere layer2 adjacent, pushed via DHCP option 121, would supercede that due to being more specific.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Full tunnel using routing wouldn't work but many full tunnel implementations use a shim where once the Tunnel is connected, the system route table isn't referenced anymore, so you can put as many static routes etc as you want, but all traffic will hit the VPN interface before routing is done. For example Cisco any connect removes route look-up from the TCP/IP stack of the local system.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why does running the VPN in a VM mitigate the attack?

[–] pezhore@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

I think that mitigation requires two things for it to work.

  1. You need to use a a Type 2 hypervisor (like Virtualbox, VMware Workstation/Fusion).
  2. That VM needs to be configured in NAT mode.

The two primary ways you can configure a network for a local virtual machine are NAT and Bridged.

Bridged mode places your VM effectively on the same network as your host OS, meaning that any DHCP server that exists on your network (rogue or otherwise) will give your virtual machine and IP.

In NAT mode, the virtualization platform itself includes a DHCP server to dole out IPs, and handle the routing between your virtual machine and your host OS's network.

The thought process is that if you trust your laptop, the DHCP address handed out for NAT mode will not have the VPN breaking DHCP option and your VPN inside the VM will not have it's route table screwed with.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

MITIGATIONS

According to Leviathan, there are several ways to minimize the threat from rogue DHCP servers on an unsecured network. One is using a device powered by the Android operating system, which apparently ignores DHCP option 121.

Relying on a temporary wireless hotspot controlled by a cellular device you own also effectively blocks this attack.

“They create a password-locked LAN with automatic network address translation,” the researchers wrote of cellular hot-spots. “Because this network is completely controlled by the cellular device and requires a password, an attacker should not have local network access.”

Leviathan’s Moratti said another mitigation is to run your VPN from inside of a virtual machine (VM) — like Parallels, VMware or VirtualBox. VPNs run inside of a VM are not vulnerable to this attack, Moratti said, provided they are not run in “bridged mode,” which causes the VM to replicate another node on the network.

[–] Midnight 2 points 6 months ago

Now when I'm lazy and don't support some standards in my open source projects, I'm just going to say its for security.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

I need an eli5

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Short version of this attack, it involves split routing for the tunnels. A lot of clients will have a default route-all to send traffic through the VPN. There is however a limitation to this because the tunnel itself needs a route from the local nic to connect to the VPN endpoint and establish the tunnel, otherwise you end up with a chicken and egg where you can't establish the VPN. By taking advantage of the DHCP option to set preferred routes (really anything more specific than 0.0.0.0/0) it can tell the host system to send the specified traffic through the local gateway rather than the tunnel's virtual adapter.

One relatively simple fix if you happen to have a fancy router/firewall on the edge of the network that handles the VPN would be to use policy based routing rather than relying on the underlying network configuration. Static route tables would be possible too, but in theory that could be overridden by just sending a more specific route again than what was set statically.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago

Well, my job better not, or they'll get a letter from their ISP about that torrenting I was actually told I could do when I asked!

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I couldn't quickly find an answer to this, but would setting the "UseRoutes" option in systemd-networkd to false prevent the dhcp client from using the option 121 routes?

If so, would this be a possible mitigation for linux devices using systemd?

[–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

See also UseGateway.