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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 76 points 6 months ago (7 children)

OP, have you ever seen a post saying "none of this works, you lied to me"?

It amazes me this lot never seem to come to the realisation none of this works.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 68 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not really. Occasionally I see someone in the comments saying that they can't reach the person they've been paying to teach them their crazy ways anymore, or that they can't find anyone who has made the coupon process work, but beyond that they seem to just persist in their crazy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] huginn@feddit.it 27 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I think technically he's describing survivorship bias - the ones who fail out - fail out so hard they disappear (jail)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Good point. In fact, it's a bit of both. It's a survivorship bias, but it explains the survivorship.

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[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

IMO if/when people snap out of it they just fade away and don't post about it. We all have our pride. These people were convinced they were so much smarter than everyone else, that's a tough pill to swallow. The same thing happens with cults and political beliefs. That's why I try to keep things light hearted and civil when debating politics. Leave wiggle room for people to come around. It's not about humiliating them, it's about seeing the light

[–] Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I was actually sitting here wondering the same thing. There’s plenty of evidence that none of this works yet they keep truckin’ along.

[–] ZeroCool@vger.social 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think many eventually do realize they've been burned and just stop showing up in these forums/groups. But you don't hear from them, just the diehards who are too deep into it and too dim to ever pick up on the fact that the SovCit movement is baseless nonsense no matter how often they're confronted with evidence of these little magical loopholes failing to work.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 points 6 months ago

Exactly what I was going to say. They go all-in on the Sovereign Citizen nonsense, it fails massively for them, multiple times, every single official response is "that's not a thing", so they... continue to ask the sovcit community for more advice!? Like, come on...

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 6 points 6 months ago

I have seen a news report where they interviewed a young woman who was in a whole bunch of debt due to being sovcit and regretted it all. Her story was she was basically living a normal life, till her husband lost his job. When he couldn't find a new job and was living on welfare, he turned to sovcit. They could simply stop paying their mortgage and other bills and use all the tricks of the sovcits on Facebook to get by. This way he wouldn't need a job anymore. His wife went along with it, not really understanding it, but trusting her husband.

Obviously this didn't end up well for either of them and the wife divorced the husband after finding out all of it was bullshit. They lost their home and had huge debts. Luckily because the woman was in a European country, the government sent someone to help her out. They helped her to consolidate all the different loans into a single loan, except for debts in relation to taxes. For the taxes a generous payment plan was provided, giving the woman a chance at a normal life instead of destroying her. The singular loan with the bank had a mortgage style payment plan, which was manageable even at a relatively low income level. She also was eligible for public housing and had a small apartment to live in. It was unclear where the husband was, he was gone and assumed out of the country. Because they were married he left a lot of the debt for the wife to clean up.

It was really a very sad story and the woman was filled with regret. If she hadn't lived in a forgiving country, she would have had a bad ending. Not that she didn't have one anyway, but it could have been so much worse.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Hard to post from prison after all your stuff has been seized by the state.

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[–] HollandJim@lemmy.world 54 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I’m still learning about sovcits but what do they have against punctuation?

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These people are severely undereducated. There's a shockingly high number of Americans who are functionally illiterate.

[–] echindod@programming.dev 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's the willfully illiterate that worry me

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I've actually seen people do things like double-down on using commas in ellipses when being told that's incorrect just out of spite. It's really amazing what people will do rather than just correct their behavior.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Commas in ellipses? So like, three commas in a row instead of dots?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Exactly that. It would go something like this:

"ur all letting the mexicans take our jobs,,, all u libruls are dumb,,, u hate Trump,,,"

"I don't agree with what you're saying. Also, you're using commas where you should be using periods."

"dum librul,,,trump 2024,,, MAGA,,, get a brain moran,,,"

(And this is how I find out that Lemmy automatically converts three commas into one comma unless you tell it not to.)

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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 26 points 6 months ago

When you pause in a thought, they have time to consider how insane it sounds. So all sovcits have to remain in the fugue state of crank rambling to make sure their worldview doesn’t have any air gaps to give anyone listening a second to question what’s being said.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Speech to text was a terrible invention

[–] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean question mark i use test to speech all the time comma and i use punctuation with no issues period

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

It's a tool of the government meant to imprison your mind? Not really sure.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 47 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"I'm traveling, not driving!"

It baffles me that they always believe that this is a valid argument. What a bunch of morons.

[–] wurstgulasch3000@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'd like to learn how to travel in my car without actually drivimg. And also why a different word for the same thing should make a legal difference. This is dumber than flat earth shit

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

BUT OFFICER, I USED THE MAGIC WORD!

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Abracadabra I do not create joinder with you!

[–] newtraditionalists@kbin.social 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you write a whole paragraph and cant be bothered to organize your thoughts by using a single period, I can't be bothered to read it. I am going to assume you have nothing of worth to say.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."

[–] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah, but Biden stuttered once...

[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 24 points 6 months ago (5 children)

What's with sovcits rebelling against punctuations?

[–] ZeroCool@vger.social 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"I'm typing not writing. You only need punctuation if you're writing, officer. I saw it on YouTube."

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 15 points 6 months ago

Im typing not writing You only need punctuation if youre writing officer I saw it on YouTube

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Only ARTIFICIAL PERSONS use the English language properly.

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What's even worse are the quantum grammar subset of the sovereign citizen set. They have some really weird ideas about language.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

They really do believe that there is a cheat code which gets them out of all responsibilities.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 9 points 6 months ago

The words are traveling and thus exempt from rules.

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I wish we could see how they argued with the cop about the difference between driving and traveling according to them.

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 15 points 6 months ago

Videos of this conversation definitely exist online. My favourite example was a guy quoting the American constitution - to an Irish Garda Síochána.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T02QbIB3ULI

[–] jaamesbaxterr@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Their arguments about needing a license for driving vs traveling are dumb but I can at least kind of see where they are coming from. The part about not needing insurance is what dumbfounds me. Like if a sovcit gets in a wreck do they think the person they hit will just accept a fucking coupon?

[–] nelly_man@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I could understand it if they are a passenger in the vehicle, but I don't understand how they can believe that operating a car doesn't count as driving.

[–] jaamesbaxterr@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't want to give credence to their bullshit but they believe that "driving" is only done commercially. So if you're operating a motor vehicle for personal errands and such you are simply a "traveler", but if you are operating the vehicle to deliver goods or services then you are a "driver".

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Like if a sovcit gets in a wreck do they think the person they hit will just accept a fucking coupon?

Yes. That is exactly what they think. Which is why they get so irate on Facebook when that sort of thing does not happen.

[–] muffedtrims@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

That is one long question, not a bit of punctuation until the question mark at the end.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What level of insanity is this where I root for the cop in this case?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I mean I hate cops but I also don't think they get paid enough to deal with sovcits. Or judges or lawyers.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

this is what infuriates me about sovereign citizens. they are so dumb they make you side with... you know. I don't want to say it because i just ate and want to keep the food inside.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Obviously we should be encouraging this person to refuse the papers.

By accepting the papers the private person is passively entering into a contract with the Marshalls of Mathers allowing the judge to impose sanctions because You've accepted their authority even if you didn't vomit mom's spaghetti on your sweater so the only recourse is to reject the papers and produce your writ of nonincorporation and decorporation to reinforce through habeas mentam stulta that you were clearly traveling not driving because operating a motor vehicle isn't the same as driving obviously as driving means using a golf club and operating uses a scalpel and as you were using neither, you were traveling.

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

A group of people who refuse to be a part of society. A group who's profile picture is the US Declaration of Independence. It is "We, the people" not "I, the person". The logic is so circular.

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