woo...
We've really got to start doing some drastic measures or we're fucked
this post was submitted on 19 Mar 2024
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Sorry to tell you this, but if we suddenly woke up tomorrow and made all the possible drastic changes in a single day, it would take well over a decade for the effects to even start setting in.
The chaos we are living today could only have been prevented by starting many years in the past. So is the reality of very long geological cycles and feedback loops.
A decade from tomorrow is better than a decade from a decade from now
it would take well over a decade for the effects to even start setting in.
lol. Every fascist wannabe around the world would win in a landslide.
what do you mean?
As more extreme policies become required, fascists gain power because of the increasing disruption to the way of life that the average person in the region is accustomed to.
“They’re taking away your hamburgers, your cars, etc etc”
i think the people who were gonna be fascists anyway are already drunk on that mentality, regardless of what we tell them at this point.
i think theres already a foundation being built in the world's stage to fight back.
i guess we will have to see on that one.
Drastic measures can mean prevention, mitigation, or retribution. It's too late for prevention, so right now mitigation is the next best thing.
Mitigation follows the exact same "extremely delayed effects" logic I explained.
Yes but this ain't happening, so we're fucked
Technically speaking we are “turbo fucked”
Maximum overfucked. It will be interesting to witness the fall of civilization.
We already are, bud.
We just need to hold on for another 40 years or so
not with that attitude.
change can happen really fast if thats what people actually want.
On the bright siden (/s.this portion only), Trump caused the population to be lowered significantly.
It wasn't very effective, so we're still fucked.
Juuuust a bit more, and a bit more, and more just to be sure those guys aren't trying to scam us into changing the world to a better place
"This is fine."
Wasn't there a YouTube video few months ago were one climate scientist talked that they removed few models from the accepted list of climate models because those models started showing rapid heating. And the reason for their removal was that they predicted too fast heating, that has never happened. And these models were accurate in the past.
Edit: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4S9sDyooxf4&t=668s&pp=ygUWcmVtb3ZlZCBjbGltYXRlIG1vZGVscw%3D%3D
That's sort of misleading though. They say they discarded the hot model runs becase paleoclimatology research tended to suggest suggest that couldn't happen. Hausfather etal. Andrew Dressler was involved and had a response on Mastodon
However :) people like Professor Janson Box etal suggested it will happen way faster then most models predict.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTdJRy1uqsc
The precautionary principal (because we have no planet B) should have us doing everything we can to get in front of this. Worst case scenario, rich asshole high emitters have to live like ordldinary folk more quickly. We can keep ignoring it until we collapse civilization like John Schellenhuber etal suggest, which does seem to be the option we've chosen.
I don't think it matters either way, we ignore it because it's inconvenient not becase we dont have the tech. We have long known how to ride a bicycle and stop flying for example... we just keep emitting, emissions increased again last year.
The last big community run of models had a bunch of them use a new cloud model, which forecast much more heating in the future because they stopped having clouds form at some latitudes.
That hasn't happened, and isn't what's responsible for the temperature jump in 2023.