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[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 102 points 6 months ago (10 children)

In reality, far from stopping the far right, Germany is implementing a far right agenda. Increase police authority? Check. Scapegoat immigrants and other marginalized groups? Check. Build up the military? Check. Suppress protests and dissenters? Check. Impose austerity, providing the fertile ground for fascists? Check.

By the time the AfD comes to power, they won't have to do anything. The liberals (including socdems and greens) will already have created a fascist society.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 54 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The same is happening to France. As you said, they'll have a field day when (at this point it's not if, it's when) they get to power.
Gotta love neoliberalism...

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

The Netherlands will very likely have a right wing government and will be heading down the same path. Same with Italy, Sweden, Denmark.

With the next European election this year the right wing parties in the European Parliament will gain a lot of traction.

We could be heading down the American path and lose a lot or the progress we made over the last 2 decades.

I will be a father in a couple or hours. Between the right taking to power and accelerating climate change i am just so fucking worried in what kind of world my kids will grow up.

[–] zzx@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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[–] EtzBetz@feddit.de 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Are you living in a different Germany than me? There are sadly things going on to make immigration harder. But other than that, things are okay.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Make immigration harder??? Nice euphemism for this fascist shit. They're throwing human rights out of the window. They're literally putting migrants into concentration camps, if they're don't drown first thanks to Frontex pushbacks. Greens defended this so-called compromise to their base while fascist Meloni was giving victory speeches.

"Endlich im großen Stil abschieben" (Scholz). I can't tell the difference an NPD slogan and the SPD chancellor.

And for the other shit, there's some extra police authority or surveillance law proposed every other month or so. Pro-palestine protests are criminalized and they're threatening Muslims with deportation for not being loyal enough to Israel. All the parties are discussing what sort of services they can cut so they have more money for the military. Real wages are shrinking. You can't open a newspaper without reading about how Germany needs to prepare for war. Things are not okay.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 42 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do liberals have a theory for why fascism is sprouting up around the world?
Because Marxists are like seen-this-one https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Fascism

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 24 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's tough to be critical of "liberalism" when everyone has a different idea of what it means. It might help to specify "economic liberalism".

Along with it's deep flaws, Liberalism is also associated with things like the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, LGBT+ rights, etc. Conservatives also muddy the waters by blaming these things for economic hardship.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (23 children)

Liberalism has a definition, which Marxists have never forgotten, though thanks to two red scares and a cold war, others have forgotten. Now in Orwellian fashion, “liberalism” and “socialism” are floating signifiers, so we have liberals like Sanders calling themselves socialists despite never calling for the abolition of private ownership of the means of production.

Slavery did end under liberalism, but then again liberalism started it.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Liberalism is also associated with things like the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, LGBT+ rights

Communists had to pry these concessions from liberalism with organized violence, don't pretend like liberalism did these things.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

honestly there seems to be some confusion/distinction only in the US.

i think most people elsewhere mean mostly "neoliberal capitalism" when they say "liberal".

[–] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

1930 something.

[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Let's see if any Lemmy users are able to correctly identify why this is happening. Bonus points for American-Style ignorance

[–] Aggravationstation@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Hitler 2: Facist Bugaloo?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Germans have already had a front-row seat to the rise of so-called illiberal democrats in Poland and Hungary who used their power to stack courts with pliant judges and silence independent media.

Today, German lawmakers are rewriting bylaws and pushing for constitutional amendments to ensure courts and state parliaments can provide checks against a future, more powerful AfD.

But every remedy holds its own dangers, leaving German politicians threading a course between safeguarding their democracy and the possibility of unwittingly providing the AfD with tools it could someday use to hobble it.

Hesse’s rival mainstream parties came together to pass a “democracy package,” rewriting several parliamentary rules, including one that effectively blocked the AfD from the intelligence committee.

In the eastern state of Thuringia, mainstream lawmakers also wanted to block the AfD from their intelligence committee, and initially agreed to put their differences aside and vote for each other’s candidates.

Some measures under discussion would give law enforcement and domestic intelligence agencies more latitude, never an easy step in a country that experienced both Fascism and Communism in the last century.


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