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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 86 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every time you think Russia can’t possibly get more evil, they put on their comic book villain hats and go further beyond.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Russia is unbelievably cartoonishly evil. I think when Russia failed to subjugate Ukraine in one fell swoop, Putin went insane and doubled down with stupid plans.

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 54 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Such is the situation of unemployment here, people are forced to fight for another country and get killed without earning anything????? Two fascists ruined India and Russia

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not here to defend Russia, but afaik Russian soldiers earn about $2000/mo, which would be good for India if higher rank officers didn't take a huge portion of it to themselves.

Ukrainian soldiers earn slightly less - about $1600-1800, but I haven't heard about wage theft there.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Alright salary, but you are working 24/7 and you'll have to get back home alive to actually enjoy it.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do not forget about PTSD if you come back alive

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

But remember, you'll family will be (maybe) compensated if you die! Join now! Do you want to know more?

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Everyone's doing their part. Do you?

[–] Axiochus@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Eh, your family will get compensated in the event of your death. It's not really sustainable long term, but Russia has dedicated quite a bit of budget to this. There's still fraud and whatnot, obviously.

[–] SolarMech 21 points 8 months ago

I find the idea that the idea that people from another country tricked into conscription would get this benefit. If they got to this point by trickery, what's to stop more trickery?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What a great job opportunity.

[–] Axiochus@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The tragic thing is that, for some, it might be. Especially if they're promised that they will serve in a supportive capacity, far away from the frontline. Once you're there, these agreements don't really matter anyway.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The tragic thing is that, for some, it might be.

To add a context here: since the start of the war, the poverty in Russia dropped from 22% to 9.6%. Of course there are both a factor of manipulation with statistics before the presidential elections and a lag between poverty metrics and inflation, but the number still blows my mind: more than 10 million people were elevated from the poverty.

But don't get tricked here: people were forced to poverty, and then the government gave away a few coins back.

[–] SkippingRelax@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Interesting conclusion. When I was half way through reading your comment I had just assumed the drop was caused by the poor being the ones sent to the trenches, dying as cannon fodder, and as such reducing the % of poor people across the whole population of Russia

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

reducing the % of poor people across the whole population of Russia

No, no, no. Even Ukraine estimates Russian casualties as 400k, and they include severely wounded, pov, and Ukrainians mobilized from occupied territories. Russia has 120-140m people (there's a conspiracy about how many people live there, but sociologists give this range). In the first COVID year the excessive deaths were about 1m. Hence the casualties, cynically speaking, is not that significant.

[–] SkippingRelax@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Makes sense!

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

To add a context here: since the start of the war, the poverty in Russia dropped from 22% to 9.6%. Of course there are both a factor of manipulation with statistics before the presidential elections and a lag between poverty metrics and inflation, but the number still blows my mind: more than 10 million people were elevated from the poverty.

I have zero trust in that people were actually elevated from poverty

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[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago

Our HR manager will contact you

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

In Russia, your family will get a sack of potatoes in the event of your death, certainly not your unpaid salary.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

What's disturbing is that those soldier salaries are providing state money and purpose to Russian regions that never saw it before, so there lives are actually getting better thanks to the war. As opposed to the common belief here that Russians are suffering from war related restrictions, the majority is not, only privileged Moscow people may have their life impacted by international sanctions. Source: https://www.newsdirectory3.com/the-majority-of-russians-have-never-had-it-so-good/

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

While I agree that sanctions affected only the privileged minority as myself, there are subtle signs that Russian society isn't taking the war in a healthy way:

  1. High reported anxiety with a peak at Sep 2022 https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/26/bursts-of-anxiety-impact-of-ukraine-war-on-russians-laid-bare-in-poll

  2. Spiked alcohol consumption (+10% a year) https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/01/15/alcohol-dependency-in-russia-increases-for-first-time-in-a-decade-a83718

  3. An anti-war presidential candidate that had 10% support a month before the election

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Seems very far from being enough to make the majority push for a change of regime as we could wish for.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 8 months ago

It'll never be enough, until it is 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And Brazil. And the US. And Britain, but that's since a long time. And, well, most of Africa and South/Central America. But that was mostly the US, too. China, of course, but that could be argued was Britain's fault. Indonesia, Israel, most of the Middle East really, Turkmenistan, Hungary, Serbia, Belarus...

Can we agree that fascism maybe is not a good idea? Or are we gonna have to fight about it again?

[–] cerulean_blue@lemmy.ml 38 points 8 months ago (19 children)

Friendly reminder: India is generally Pro-Russia.

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[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 months ago

They were doing this with Cubans months ago.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They don't dig trenches, they just fill the ones Ukraine dug with their ditchmeat.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Trenchdigging is just to fill the time between bayonet charges

[–] uis@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

At first I read "Dig fucking french" and was very confused.

I don't want to be sent to dig frenches and die for multiple Putin's yachts and countless mansions.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I thought we stopped digging frenches in 1918?

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 5 points 8 months ago

I hope I live long enough to read books written by Saboteurs who were forced into service for Putin's bullshit.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The Indian character in the meme looks like it was designed by Mike Judge.

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