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[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 184 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The devices those users paid for? That should be illegal.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 180 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I'm pretty sure this won't fly in court because this is a significant change to a product long after the product was purchased, which could potentially fly in the face of false advertising laws, since this "feature" was not advertised, and they're not being denied access to a product they purchased. It's clearly coercive.

However, this is the USA and stupider shit has happened. Judges here love to gargle corporate balls. See: Clearance Thomas.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 63 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, to be fair, I stole that from someone else. Similar story, don't know if it was on purpose or on accident (didn't ask). It's fucking gold. Anyway, it was a random reddit comment deep in a thread, sorry I can't credit them since I don't recall their name.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 12 points 7 months ago

Props for not claiming it anyways

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[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also how would they prove the owner even saw the notice they supposedly agreed to? This is probably them testing the waters for something worse.

[–] fragnoli@lemmy.one 30 points 7 months ago (4 children)

We have a couple of Rokus, but I haven’t seen the prompt yet. I’m thinking my 8 year old clicked through it. I wonder what situation that creates.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

You didn’t consent and your child can’t.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

In general, those terms and conditions are not enforceable, but that's not why they exist. Roku knows that if they are challenged, they will probably not win in court, but it creates that first hurdle. It costs money to go to court and hire lawyers to make those arguments. And Roku is willing to pay more for lawyers, so maybe they do win. So for you, the little guy, how much can you afford to spend on a case where you might lose?

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 101 points 7 months ago (3 children)

When are we gonna finally nail companies for using underhanded and coercive tactics with consumers?

Oh, never? Okay then.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

When we make lobbying illegal in ~~this country~~ the United States

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Europe is doing it. Look at Apple vs Spotify, as well as Apple forced to open their app stores to 3rd parties. Those are consumer oriented laws. In the USA, lobbying prevent those from happening.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

And until the EU starts playing hardball, they'll continue to engage in malicious compliance (literally how they've responded to the DMA so far). Time will tell if the EU actually has the balls for this.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

The DMA took effect since yesterday I think and the fine for it was like up to 20% of global revenue if I remember correctly. The EU has enforced GDPR very well so far so I don't doubt them enforcing this.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

US: best we can do is a other corporate tax cut

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 78 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not a lawyer, but 99.9999% sure this violates the CFAA. Correct me if I'm wrong? Would t even matter if they included it in EULA or something, 'no reasonable person...'

This has class action lawsuit written all over it.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

There will certainly be many lawsuits about it, no doubt. They e shot themselves in the foot for no reason here. What a dumb move.

[–] dakial@lemmy.world 76 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There should be a law that any change of T&C after the purchase of a product gives the customer the option to refuse the terms and get a full refund of that product, no matter how old it is.

[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have a smart light switch I can't use anymore because they updated the app to force you to make an account to use it and I refused since it worked fine for the last 3 years without them needing to sell my data.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

If the firmware on the switch hasn't been updated to not function with old versions of the app why not just snag an old APK and use the old app version?

At least as long as you own the thing, worth a shot

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 69 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

Well, my next tv won’t have a Roku in it. I was just about to buy one, and if anyone here has any advice on a dumb TV with no built-in smart features, I would really appreciate some suggestions. They’re surprisingly difficult to find nowadays. I’m looking for some thing 43 inches or smaller, 4K or 1080, and nothing special. Preferably very cheap.(I’m poor)

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 27 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Maybe just buy a monitor, particularly if you only need streaming.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 25 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Smart TVs are usually sold at a loss because they expect to make the money back through ads, so if you never connect one to the internet in the first place, you get a cheap decent TV and you cost these cockroaches money

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My setup is a Samsung that doesn’t have WiFi setup. It supports HDMI CEC, as does my game console and streaming box, so I basically never touch the TV remote. It’s effectively a dumb monitor.

I mostly stream via my Xbox and AppleTV since they’re performant systems.

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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Most LGs can be set up without internet at all.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My fucking Samsung Refrigerator refused to cool until I paired it to a mobile app. It wasn't even one of those fancy tablet screen ones. It beeped at me for hours until I had the time to figure out wtf was wrong with it.

[–] MasterHound@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That's insane. I know it's a ball ache to move them but I'd have taken that thing right back and gotten a refund.

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[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Scepter seems to be the well recommended budget option

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[–] mr_robot2938@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Rtings is a good site for tv reviews across a wide range of price levels. I’ve used several their reviews to make purchases and have been satisfied thus far.

Best Budget TV’s

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[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 67 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Shit happened to me yesterday. Pissed me off. Bought this TV years ago and suddenly I can't use it until I accept their new arbitration shit. I'm building a stream box and disabling the internet on this thing. I'm sick of ads anyway.

[–] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Do it, its worth the effort

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 56 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I have no idea how US contract law works. Even if you agree to something that says "we can alter the deal at any time", when a change happens to the deal, don't both sides have to benefit, rather than "agree to this change so that you can keep the same thing you had before"?

[–] wesley@yall.theatl.social 32 points 7 months ago

I honestly think a lot of these terms of service agreements are legally unenforceable, but they don't get contested in court very often.

Like if they say "you consented to the arbitration agreement" I could just argue I never physically signed anything and it was actually my 5 year old who agreed so he could watch TV.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

But don't you see, the consumer surely benefits. After agreeing they get to continue using their tv under our new and wonderful terms of service. /s

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 55 points 7 months ago (2 children)

When are the users taking them to court. These guys aren't Nintendo so I expect them to have to fuck themselves.

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[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago (3 children)

My kid consented. I think. Can she make binding contracts that she doesn't tell me about because she's looking for Blues Clues, or am I responsible for every OK she checks when I'm not present?

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I let my cat step on the remote. Fucker doesn't pull his weight, so if the lawyers come after him he's on his own.

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[–] porksoda@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago (4 children)

So legally speaking, what happens if it was my 8 year old son, who clicks buttons with no regard for human life, that agreed to this BS TOS? How is that legally binding?

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Yeah, this is really dumb. There's no way they can prove the owner clicked on it and they can't hold anyone else to the terms.

[–] Cyclist@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

It isn't, an 8 year old can't be held to a contract like this. IANAL.

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[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know what. Pirate everything.

[–] rizoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 7 months ago (6 children)

My in-laws have all Roku tvs. I had to go over and "fix" the TV's for them cause they didn't understand what the hell this was. I straight up just gave them my modded Nvidia shields and bought myself some more. Fuck that shit. We need a better open source tv like interface. I've used plasma big screen but it's not ready for normal people with not Linux but fixing experience.

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 27 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Enshittification continues. I used to evangelize roku bc I want a dumb TV. I guess that's no longer valid.

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[–] Teknikal@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Between this and Amazon's recent nonsense with Firetv I think next time I'll just buy a generic Android box or something, maybe even a mini PC.

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