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Let’s Thank the Alabama Supreme Court (www.nytimes.com)
submitted 9 months ago by silence7 to c/politics@lemmy.world
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I never thought I’d be grateful to the Alabama Supreme Court for anything, but now I am. With its decision deeming frozen embryos to be children under state law, that all-Republican court has done the impossible. It has awakened the American public, finally, to the peril of the theocratic future toward which the country has been hurtling.

Actually stopping that means both volunteering and, if you can afford it, donating

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 107 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

It has awakened the American public, finally, to the peril of the theocratic future toward which the country has been hurtling

If they were still asleep after the death of Roe, why would this wake them up?

The problem is the public at large is like a kid trying to stick a penny in a light socket. You can tell them again and again and again and again that it's going to hurt, but they're not going to learn the lesson until they actually feel the shock.

Only after they experience the pain do they feel the urgency to do something. Only when "politics" stops being a feed they look at on social media and actually affects their lives in a direct and obvious way do they seek to do anything.

[–] silence7 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Because people see other peoples' abortions as evil. People don't view IVF or contraceptives or sex for fun in the same way, even if the anti-abortion movement does.

[–] aDuckk@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

It's going to be this way until we figure out a better way to cultivate empathy at a huge scale. Between technological isolation, increasing scarcity, and the divide-and-conquer tactics of the power players in our society, we seem to be going the wrong direction fast. We'll continue to collectively stick the penny in the light socket until we are able to appreciate the experiences of other people enough to learn something from them.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 66 points 9 months ago

A lot of conservative women are waking up to the idea that they [and their friends] might not be able to get the treatments they want.

Leopards, meet faces...

[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Does this mean those owing state taxes to Alabama can deduct all their frozen embryos on their taxes?

[–] silence7 70 points 9 months ago (2 children)

People are trying. Not clear that it will actually work.

Also not clear if military recruiters can enlist ones that have been frozen for 18 years.

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That would be amazing. Thousands upon thousands of frozen little ice pellets in tiny parachutes being dropped over some middle east country in the name of freedom.

[–] Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

name of freedom.

You mean oil right?

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Same thing.

[–] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

Thousands upon thousands of frozen little ice pellets in tiny parachutes

Wouldn't loading them in mags be more effective?

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 9 months ago

Also not clear if military recruiters can enlist ones that have been frozen for 18 years.

The military doesn't just recruit 18 years olds against their will. However, if any of those are male embryos and over 18 I wonder if they can be charged will failure to sign up for Selective Service? Presumably since they are in the custody of the parents the quarter million dollar fine each would land on their heads. We may have to start enforcing that old law again...

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Let’s thank the bullet that killed your father for showing us how much bullets can kill.

[–] silence7 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's the NYT for you

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So, newspapers shouldn't print opinion pieces you don't agree with?

[–] silence7 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I didn't say that at all. Just that the NYT has a tendency to put a right-wing spin on everything

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

lol! I've heard Trump scream a million times that it was a Left wing rag.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/12/media/donald-trump-new-york-times-legal-fees/index.html

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

That's because Trump thinks any media that doesn't praise him as the smartest, richest, handsomest, and most powerful man in the world is a "Left wing rag". I'm sure now that Faux News was forced to add fact checkers to avoid another devastating lawsuit he thinks they're "liberal" and "woke" now as well.

[–] silence7 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's called working the ref.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They printed a list of all his lies since taking office.

Working that ref pretty damn hard, wouldn't you say?

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-times-used-full-page-to-print-all-trump-lies-since-taking-office-2017-6

[–] silence7 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Given the frequency that you see stories in the form " something good happened, here's why that's bad for Biden" I'd say it's succeeded

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So, you're saying their secret agenda is to report both sides of the issues?

Shocking!!!

[–] silence7 2 points 9 months ago

Not in the least; they prioritize access over truth, and tend to spin things in a fairly conservative way.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

It's nice to imagine conservatives becoming victims of their own oppression, but that has never stopped their oppression in the past. If history is our guide, there is no reason to believe that the frog can ever jump out of the pot, no matter how fast it boils.

Conservatism naturally progresses toward fascism. That is what it is at its core. It cannot stop on its own. It can only be stopped by external force.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

More "bad things are actually good things!" from the NYT 🙄

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I just want to know if the embryo is frozen for a number of years (is there a limit after which viability stops?) and then implanted, does that shorten the time before the resulting person can vote? I.e., if the embryo is frozen for fourteen years, can the resulting child vote at four?

Is letting the eggs get freezer burned past viability, murder?

[–] silence7 5 points 9 months ago

Is letting the eggs get freezer burned past viability, murder?

Yes, that's the whole point of fetal personhood laws.

I believe the Alabama legislature made some changes after this court ruling, so it may not be that way right now.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

And here I thought we were thanking the Alabama Supreme Court for preventing the atrocity of thousands more babies cruelly subjected to living in Alabama.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The fact that religious doctrine lay at the heart of Justice Samuel Alito's majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization was perfectly clear, as I observed then.

And don't forget, the two most radical U.S. Supreme Court justices, Alito and Clarence Thomas, were nominated by the so-called "moderate" Bush family.