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You can regularly sync your memories with your copies (either one way or both ways)

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 65 points 9 months ago (4 children)

All I'd need is one. She'd do doppelgΓ€nger work and keep me company sentimentally as well as fulfill, ahem, physical needs.

[–] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 34 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Interesting idea but I would utterly hate a person like me.

The old saying about "you hate in others what reminds you of yourself" feels like it was written for me!

I really need someone to contrast my personality. I'd kick clone out within minutes.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

'You can't hate me like I do. I know me better." -- Pitchshifter

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Your clone is only a copy of you at first, the more it experiences, the more different it becomes. That's going to cause issues eventually. They may even start working against you.

The solution is The Prestige.

The clone only exists long enough to complete a task or fulfill a purpose, but then one of us (and we don't know which) is gonna get dropped through a trap door and drowned when we're done.

[–] getoffthedrugsdude@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You just described a meseeks box

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Yeah but the person pressing the button isn't cloning themselves, and the meeseeks just wanna help and then die. Your clone is you, and may start getting...ideas if they hang around too long.

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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Everyone has horrific qualities about them, but everyone has redeeming qualities too. I'm sure you and your clone would fight, but I can imagine you would get a lot done too

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I’d fuck myself too ;)

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[–] MxRemy@lemmy.one 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It would be very ill advised, but SO MANY. Enough to organize them. There's a mall nearby that's slowly shutting down, it's like 99% empty now, and there are homeless encampments all outside it being hassled by cops. Instead of giving it to them, it's gonna wind up bulldozed and turned into rich people condos. I'd make enough clones to occupy it and turn it into adhoc co-op housing!

...And obviously like all the boning and other stuff one does with clones as well lol.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

Enough to enact a meaningful change in your community? That's probably the best answer I've read in this thread

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[–] WhereGrapesMayRule@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Such a great short story. My first exposure to this was the Kursgesagt animated version:

https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI?si=Axn62mZ7dgE9xv87

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[–] Tyrangle@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One clone so that I can be a stay-at-home dad without losing my income. Finally finish grad school and fix up the house. Show my kid the world when they get old enough to appreciate it. Get a second job once they start school - something to get me outside, or working with people face-to-face. That would be amazing.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

That sounds really nice. Nothing excessive, just meeting your needs

[–] grue@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Me after splitting myself into any number of copies:

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

None as well. The copies will have same needs, same level of lazyness. This won't benefit anyone, quite the contrary. Just more bad people.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But you could work as a team with common goals, and alleviate the strain of doing it all alone.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

Blowjob centipede

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[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Going dark with it: How much are organs worth on the black market?

Keeping it light: like 4 or 5 maybe, as long as there is no degradation in capabilities I think I could feasibly let 1 do my job, then the rest and myself could pursue other intellectual endeavors. I would also always have a full D&D group and be able to play the multiplayer games I have always wanted to that never had the interest of my friends.

[–] Cinner@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

DnD issue: memory sync.

You're just yourself playing yourself, and all copies know what all copies are thinking.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Of it's naruto style, I would make a 100 of me, have them all find jobs for a year or two, then collapse them all back and never have to work again aince I now saved for 100+ years.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This post could be phrased better...

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[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

So what happens with my copy once I'm done with it?

Does it just continue to exist?

Do I need to kill it before it figures out that there can be only one, and kill me first?

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago
[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

A billion copies to lead a communist revolution. Any more than that would probably be unsustainable globally in the short term while the existing capitalist systems are being dismantled and replaced.

Or 3 or 4 clone friends to help out with daily life.

Both are cool. The latter is probably easier and what my copies could actually manage.

Edit: Actually, the ability to sync memories is so ridiculously overpowered that one could probably achieve pretty much anything with their copies.

It also seems like its usefulness would scale up exponentially the more copies you make, so I'll go with the first one.

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[–] graeghos_714@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Imagine being the copy that has to work while one does the family and one is traveling. The ethics of making a copy of myself that is for all purposes a slave would be really weird. Enslaving copies of myself, what a concept. Oh, also one needs to be kept on away for organ needs as I age or get hurt and one with a master copy in case the main "I" dies unexpectedly. yikes

[–] Tyrangle@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

OP says you can sync memories both ways - easy solution is to just take turns.

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[–] orgrinrt@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I would actually take a very different route as a contrast to others on this thread:

I would clone some 20-30 mes and do a speedrun together to gather enough funds to buy a farm, and live out the rest of my life in a commune dream with others like me πŸ₯Ή

Eventually there’d be other people joining in and I could release more and more of the clones as we gather enough saved up and finish the mortgage and all.

So eventually we’d find something of a balance at around 2-4 clones with which we’d just arrange a rotating system of guaranteeing 3 weeks of free time each between a week of work 😌

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Zero. I don't hate myself enough to put myself through this twice.

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Two clones, else it's going to start getting crowded here I think.

One of us works full time. One of us studies full time. The third would be entertainment (go see a movie, go to events, etc.). Every week, we rotate.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

I'm not sure my income can support a full time student and full time layabout lol

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago

What a bunch of useless SOBs. Can't I clone somebody better?

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just one. I’d get twice as much software written, and amazing blowjobs.

However….. I’d need to make sure that They have a desire to obey me. Because I don’t do anything I don’t want to do, and I’d very quickly tell β€œme” to go fuck myself.

[–] lettruthout@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's an interesting book that goes into these issues...

Kiln People is a 2002 science fiction novel by American writer David Brin

The novel takes place in a future in which people can create clay duplicates (called "dittos" or golems) of themselves. A ditto retains all of the archetype's memories up until the time of duplication. The duplicate lasts only about a day, and the original person (referred to in the book as an archie, from "archetype", or "rig", from "original") can then choose whether or not to upload the ditto's memories. Most dittos want to inload, so that their experience will be continuous with that of their archie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiln_People

My wife and I joke about how we could really use a "grey" some days.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Just the one, we'd both sit around doing nothing. Get him to give me a hand job, it's not gay if it's you right?

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[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 9 points 9 months ago

Ah, Multiplicity. An underrated Michael Keaton comedy, IMO.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

None. I don't think clones could satisfy my wishes. And I wouldn't want to burden them with a life.

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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

You know that episode of Futurama, where Bender made near infinite copies of himself and nearly the destroyed the world?

Yeah that, but maybe a little slowly since I like to procrastinate.

[–] essellburns@beehaw.org 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Two would be ideal.

Three would have greater benefits, greater complexity and problems.

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[–] Thrella@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

What are the limitations here? Like... can I boss the clones around, or will they need to be coaxed?

Because if I can get a clone army you bet your ass I'm getting a clone army.

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Just one. Cutting my work and responsibilities in half would be a significant improvement in my quality of life.

[–] ciapatri@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

Not to mention having things done precisely the way I like. Reminds me of the black mirror "White Christmas" episode where they were creating digital clones to act as personal assistants.

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[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I'm having an orgy with myself for sure.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I almost can't imagine a reasonable upper bound. Maybe 1000? That would certainly be enough to be able to do some serious stuff.

The ability to sync memories and have the same experiences and past would be crazy. I could align myself and all the clones to a shared goal easily. With the amount of clones, I could do basically anything.

Only problem I can see is... is there a way to know the "original"? Would I be in control of my clones? Or would I myself just be another clone? I think I'd still go for something like 1000 even if I was just another clone.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

You mean feed and house more people on a single income and subject those people to this hellscape? No thanks.

Plus, is my clone really going to be fine with acting as a slave? Unlikely.

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