this post was submitted on 11 Mar 2022
2 points (100.0% liked)

Technology

34448 readers
298 users here now

This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.


Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.


Rules:

1: All Lemmy rules apply

2: Do not post low effort posts

3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff

4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.

5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)

6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist

7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
all 41 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

cool, the second hit for ukraine news is now Fox News 🀣

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Once again, the problem here is: disinformation according to whom? Themselves? The US government? NATO?

[–] abbenm@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Maybe propublica? I think there are areas of gray and there are areas that are clear, and we can respect the former and take action on the latter without putting on joker makeup and descending into sophomoric relativism about the fundamental impossibility of ever knowing "the truth."

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

DDG has become popular with far right groups lately. So there's some good to come from this move.

[–] cheer@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The overlap between alt left and alt right groups is the importance of privacy.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Helix@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Helix@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are doing it the wrong way around though.

[–] Helix@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago

No. You claim the alt left doesn't exist. I want to know why. I don't say they exist. If you proclaim something in an argument, the burden of proof lies on you.

Or maybe the burden of proof lies on your parent commentee, but certainly not on me, because I just asked for clarification and didn't state anything.

I don't know whether the Alt Left exists or not and I would like either proof that they exist or the contrary. If neither of you can provide that, it's SchrΓΆdinger's Alt Left, both existing and not existing at the same time. Which would mean you're both equally right and wrong.

[–] Helix@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

What is the alt left and who is it? What's 'alt' about them?

[–] Ordoviz@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You guys are overreacting. DDG said they would only down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation. It's normal for search engines to downrank low-quality sites such as SEO spam.

[–] dscottboggs@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

yeah, this was pretty much the consensus in the thread on this on /r/stallmanwasright. kinda surprised to see so much less of that here.

[–] kixik@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

DDG unfortunately is more concerned about profiting, down ranking what's told to do so, and what's more convenient for itself, and has great marketing. It's no better than Searx in that it's also meta search engine, just with better marketing. Well perhaps not as simple as that, but not that far either. Quoting someone:

BTW, I always thought duckduckgo was a pure engine, and it does as well some meta searching through bing.

So, they succeeded with marketing. The situation is exactly the opposite. It’s 99.99% rebranded Bing (and Yahoo and Yandex) with a slight touch of DuckDuckBot.

From a delete Lemmy post:

https://lemmy.ml/post/43595/comment/22034

Besides, searx uses multiple sources, not just google, which you can enable disable on the settings, as a user of any instance, :)

[–] savoy@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

here's a list of public searx & SearXNG instances

If anyone has good experiences with any of them, definitely share!

[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I personally went with paulgo.io just because of the high quality ranking in searXNG lists the really clean UI.

UI/UX is currently the Aquilles' heel for searXNG and I really want to see it improve.

[–] GenkiFeral@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

paulgo.io

Do any offer the option for larger text?

[–] toneverends@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I use Firefox and I just do a Ctrl+mouseScrollUp or ctrl+= and it remembers the zoom for that website.

[–] toneverends@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

DDG results have been feeling a little too curated for years now, and they've openly censored results since around the time of removing the scihub bang, which I thought was the first near-universally egregious example.

[–] AnimyosFox@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I read through some of the comments on this post, and although I get the arguments that there is not only disinformation from the Russian side, I must say that the specific intention of Russia's disinformation is to directly destabilize our western democracies and spread the denial of the war and slaughter in Ukraine. And yes, we've gotta act against the false information from western news agencies also (I live in Germany, and therefore I know a pretty good example of this with "BILD"), but the criticism of DuckDuckGo's actions and calling it censorship is, from my opinion, absolutely wrong, because we've gotta protect people from disinformation and stop the Russian war of information.

[–] MrGamingHimself@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Alright everyone, lets take bets. How long do you think before they remove that tweet?

[–] toneverends@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The tweet responses are telling us if we think that way about DDG we must be in with the racist maga antivax crowd.

[–] FruitFactory@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

I'm probably going to still use DuckDuckGo for now but this is such a stupid unnecessary move. Seeing some russian "disinformation" wasn't going to suddenly turn me into a Putin stan.

[–] HMH@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Which alternatives should one consider?

[–] SrEstegosaurio@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Searx. It is a meta search engine but imho is the best one out there

[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Still needs better UX/UI if it ever wants to get close to being used by average folk. That's how DDG and Startpage grew so much.

[–] miguel@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well, DDG is basically a privacy friendly frontend to the G* search engine, so this was to be expected. Fortunately I switched to searx. The future of the internet is federation, there is no going back.

[–] oscar@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I mean it mostly uses Bing in the background rather than Google. Searx is kich the same in the sense it taps into other search engines. Except with Searx you get more control.

[–] IngrownMink4@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

DDG is a privacy friendly frontend to the Bing search engine.

[–] IngrownMink4@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

You can find better alternatives to DuckDuckGo here. I hope you find it helpful!