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Current and former DHS officials grumble about Biden's talk of shutting down the border (www.nbcnews.com)

submitted 9 months ago by gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

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One of the two former officials said Biden is sending a political message but not one that is based in logistical reality.

“You can’t shove back 8,000 migrants a day without the Mexicans’ approval,” the former official said. “What you would create is frantic surges in the weakened parts of the border.”

Vulnerable parts of the border have previously included remote areas of Arizona, such as Lukeville, and Del Rio, Texas, where over 10,000 Haitians massed in 2021, overwhelming the resources of Border Patrol.

Another former official said some Customs and Border Protection rank-and-file agents and officers are upset that Biden would talk about “shutting down” the border because it could lead to more turmoil and not a solution.

“It seems to be strictly political,” the second former official said. “CBP and Border Patrol are pretty upset at this point.”

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

“It seems to be strictly political,” the second former official said. “CBP and Border Patrol are pretty upset at this point.”

Biden keeps trying to win over conservatives...

But he never will, he'll just piss of Democrat voters while making conservatives think this proves they've always been right about this issue, and Democrats just lie about it

It seems like everything Biden has done in 2024 depresses Dem turnout and increase Republican turnout

I'm getting big Brewster Millions' vibes.

Except this time I don't think they'll be a big third act reveal

[–] Zoboomafoo 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's not doing this to win over conservatives, he's trying to make a deal to keep sending weapons to Ukraine

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

That's dumb, he can just go around Congress like he did for Israel
Giving the president the power to shut the border for any reason for the rest of the existence of the United States for a one time aid to a foreign country is so fucking stupid I believe Biden might actually be doing that

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Every Democrat for some reason keeps trying to court Republican voters and i still don't understand why. You're trying to cater to the party that is anti-logic. In most cases Democrats outnumber Conservatives. Instead of pushing for ass backwards policy try to get liberals to the voting booth

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

It ain't about conservative voters, it's about conservative donors.

If Dems are rightwing enough, they get donations too.

The DNC is convinced the most important thing is donations. So the spend billions convincing Americans to vote for candidates they disagree with.

If we ran good candidates it wouldn't take as much money and we wouldn't need conservative donors.

But without all that money moving around, it's harder for the people making the decisions to get their slice of it.

Since the DNC is a private organization, there isn't much we can unless something crazy like Taylor Swift runs for office under a third party and blows the whole system up.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The takes in this thread are absolutely ridiculous.

Biden isn't trying to "court" Republican donors or voters.

Conservatives have made up a hypothetical scenario that the border is in crisis. It is literally the only platform that they have to run on at this point and it's been broadcast that Biden isn't doing anything about it.

So, Biden has simply stated that he'll close the border if they give him the ability to. It's ingenious.

By doing this, he's robbed them of one of their biggest running points, and Republicans are now panickly scrambling around trying to salvage the situation. Either they give Biden more power to do "the thing" or they continue to to complain he's not doing enough whilst very publicly hampering his ability to do so. Either route they go, they're going to shoot themselves in the foot and it's glorious.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Slaps table thank you .gif

The quality of political discourse is crayon vomit

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

First off, before I get called a racist or conservative, my wife is an immigrant and I'm liberal as fuck.

There actually is a crisis at the border. Of course the GOP is playing this for points, but it's real this year. Can't find up-to-date numbers, but a lemming recently posted a government source and it was something like double the number from 2022. Our government is simply not geared to take on 1M+ extra immigrants.

You can see some numbers here: The number of immigrants turned away or apprehended at borders reached 2.8 million in FY 2022, the highest number since at least 1980. Note the spike in the accompanying graph.

I have nothing to back this, but my guess is that potential immigrants are thinking "Get to America now in case Trump becomes President again." Put yourself in their shoes. I'd be scrambling to get my family in before the door slams shut. Wouldn't you?

It's a fucking mess. We're trying to get her youngest son over here and listening to her talk about regulations and paperwork sounds like a foreign language. FFS, it may take years, and may never happen if Trump gets back in. So yeah, there's a real crisis here, there are millions trying to push their way in because even legal immigration may get stymied.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I agree that something needs to be done, there's not infrastructure in place to handle this sort of flow of people, but I think most people's issues has been with Texas's handling of the issue. Death traps in the rivers and razor wire are not okay, stealing peoples children during the Trump Era was not okay either.

Biden said he'd shut the border down but apparently lacks the ability to do so. I'm not exactly a knowledge expert on the border crisis, I believe my original point of this not being a move to sway Republican voters still stands.