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"There's no way to get there without a breakthrough," OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said, arguing that AI will soon need even more energy.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 166 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Skinner Out Of Touch Meme: Are the AI using toouch energy? Nah, must be the weak energy sources.

Optimizing power consumption? Why?!

[–] JDubbleu@programming.dev 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

In fairness the computing world has seen unfathomable efficiency gains that are being pushed further with the sudden adoption of arm. We are doing our damnedest to make computers faster and more efficient, and we're doing a really good job of it, but energy production hasn't seen nearly those gains in the same amount of time. With the sudden widespread adoption of AI, a very power hungry tool (because it's basically emulating a brain in a computer), it has caused a sudden spike in energy needed for computers that are already getting more efficient as fast as we can. Meanwhile energy production isn't keeping up at the same rate of innovation.

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[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 96 points 9 months ago (7 children)

The human brain uses about 20W. Maybe AI needs to be more efficient instead?

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Perfect let's use human brains as CPUs then. Not the whole brain just the unused bits.

[–] 018118055@sopuli.xyz 53 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's what matrix would've been if the studios didn't think people would too dumb to get it, so we ended with the nonsense about batteries.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They also thought we wouldn't understand how Switch could be a woman in the matrix but a man in the real world. So they just made the character a butch woman because apparently that's easier somehow. So many little changes like this were made.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 27 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Holy fuck now her name makes so much more sense. God dammit, why are we so fucking stuck up as a society that we couldn’t even keep that

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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 months ago

We use all of our brain. Well, some of us try to anyway.

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[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 73 points 9 months ago (9 children)

So AI can't exist without stealing people's content and it can't exist without using too much energy. Why does it exist then?

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 47 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Because the shareholders need more growth. They might create Ultron along the way, but think of the profits, man!

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 73 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If only we could convert empty hype into energy.

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[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 60 points 9 months ago (5 children)

How about an efficiency breakthrough instead? Our brains just need a meal and can recognize a face without looking at billions of others first.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I mean, we can only do that because our system was trained for hundreds of thousands, millions of years into being able to recognise others of same species

[–] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Almost all of our training was done without requiring burning fossil fuels. So maybe ole Sammy can put the brakes on his shit until it’s as fuel efficient as a human brain.

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[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago (17 children)

Great right from coin miners to the "AI" fad. Tons of carbon shot into the sky and for what? A more unequal society on both counts.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Sure, we destroyed the planet, but we did it so we could produce valuable artwork like this:

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, I'd say it was worth it. It also gave us this:

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[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I heard that the human body can produce more bioelectricity than a battery

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Which is bullshit for obvious reasons. Humans are no eels.

[–] danielbln@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

In fact, the original script of The Matrix had the machines harvest humans to be used as ultra efficient compute nodes. Executive meddling led to the dumb battery idea .

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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (11 children)

Didn't CERN open a portal to hell recently, can't we just steal their power? What are they using it for what could go wrong?

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[–] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 32 points 9 months ago (4 children)

So is AI the new Blockchain?

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Unlike the Blockchain it has an actual use tho.

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[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Give an LLM to a high school student and they could do something with it.

Try to explain block chain to an adult and watch them pretend to understand.

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Or we could stop this ridiculous llm “ai” trend and move towards sustainable living like our hyper-waste society

[–] Falcon@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

These comments often indicate a lack of understanding about ai.

Ml algorithms have been in use for nearly 50 years. They certainly become much more common since about 2012, particularly with the development of CUDA, It’s not just some new trend or buzz word.

Rather, what we starting to see are the fruits of our labour. There are so many really hard problems that just cannot be solved with deductive reasoning.

[–] Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

It's simultaneously possible to realize that something is useful while also recognizing the damage that its trend is causing from a sustainability standpoint, and that neither realization particularly demonstrates a lack of understanding about AI.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 9 months ago

Humans very rarely take sustainability into account when money can be made.

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[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 27 points 9 months ago

Exactly. This is why the AI hype train is overblown. Stop shoving "AI" everywhere when they know it'll cost a lot in electricity.

The real path forwards with AI will be specialized super advanced models costing hundreds per run (business use case) and/or locally run AI using NPUs, especially the latter.

[–] yildo@kbin.social 25 points 9 months ago

We must disassemble the solar system and make ~~paperclips~~ AI server farms

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I love when people invent something then complain about how dangerous it is. It really hits you in the feels.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So much for hoping ai was going to solve energy breakthroughs.

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[–] trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

It's called nuclear energy. It was discovered in 1932 and properly harnessed with an effective reactor that consumes both radioactive material and waste (CANDU) in 1950's/1960's and the newest CANDU reactors are some of the safest and most efficient energy generation in the world.

Pretending like there needs to be a larger investment into something like cold fusion in order to run these computers is incredibly dishonest or presenting a clear hole in education coverage. (The DoE should still work on researching cold fusion, but not because of this.)

[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I love nuclear but China is building them as fast as they can and they're still being massively outpaced by their own solar installations. If we hadn't shut down most of the research and construction in the 80's it would have been great, but it's not going to be a solution to the huge power requirement growth from EVs and shit like AI in the "short" term of 1-20 years.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 9 months ago

Nvidia Execs: Did you say the price of GPUs should go up?

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Just don't forget the BIG circuit breakers.
Some day we are going to need them.

[–] skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 9 months ago

Yes we will build a massive nursing home and use the old people as batteries.

[–] dezmd@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

OH NO, AI IS THE BLOCKCHAIN.

[–] BudgieMania@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

dude think about this stuff before you open the floodgates bro

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That requires someone in business to think beyond the next quarter’s profits.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

That requires someone in business to think

I'm not convinced that Altman has cleared this beyond meaningless buzzwords

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (9 children)

The sun gives us free energy. Is he aware of that?

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[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

So why won't he use the AI to discover one?

I'm sorry but as an AI language processing model I am unable to discover alternative energy sources. My training data concludes on June 21, 2021 and I am unable to understand requests that would require knowledge after that date.

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

Stop mining bitcoin.

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