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[–] FraidyBear@lemmy.world 145 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I work at Apple in the Apple Care department, but not for the Apple Care yalls moms call for help. This has been happening for literally years and I've spoken about it before but no one really took it seriously but now here we are. We were told that we be in a hiring freeze for the foreseeable future and that hiring and promotions would only happen onsite. If we wanted to be promoted we needed to move to Austin or San Fran, the two most expensive cities in the country with no guarantee of a promotion, on our own dime, knowing we won't make a living wage there. Keep in mind that this meeting was being given to a massive department who's main workforce is and has always been WFH.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago

This type of crap should be mega illegal. I feel like I see this all the time. I don't know how you would ever prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they are actually "laying people off" tho which I presume means it's unfortunately gonna stick around as a method for companies to avoid severance which sucks.

Also, not for nothing but San Fran and Austin are definitely not two most expensive cities in the country. San Fran is kinda up there. Maybe like top 5 in some lists. I legitimately couldn't find Austin in a single one but I only checked up to like the top 25 or 30 cities.

[–] Balinares@pawb.social 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Hiring freeze? I had an Apple recruiter reach out to me just a couple weeks ago. That's in EU though. They weren't happy that I was not willing to relocate for them.

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[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The amount of pro apple fuckwads flying in here to bootlick is obscene.

Apple is fucked beyond repair.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Apple is fucked beyond repair

Why? Is it out of warranty period? 🤔

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I find that ANY thread about Apple will swarm with their fanboys to defend their every little move, no matter how big or small their fuck up is.

Their marketing really did a number on people's head, Apple gets close to being a cult.

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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Apple stans have the iq of simple jack

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Simple (Headphone) Jack

[–] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Don't worry, Texas has importing tech workers since around COVID and it's only a matter of time until they import enough new voters to fundamentally change laws down there...

[–] jak@sopuli.xyz 80 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I worry that tech bros who live in Texas will be way more susceptible to the ancap mind virus than they are now

[–] Balinares@pawb.social 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Tech workers are not the same thing as tech bros. Musk is a tech bro and would be incapable of working as a tech worker.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

as a tech worker, a lot of us think we are tech bros.

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[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Not if they keep up with their gerrymandering, it’d take a shit load of tech bros to counteract gerrymandering.

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[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

They are just a small startup they can't afford to pay 121 people on their meager earnings. Hell they can't even afford to update their phone design in 3 years.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Former Apple employee (retail, then corporate). I'm shocked that Tim Cook, an out gay man, would allow such a move. Texas is a hellhole. This is bullshit. Fuck Apple for this one.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You think Tim Cook, billionaire CEO of a wildly anti-consumer company, gives a shit about anyone but himself?

I've got a bridge to sell you.

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[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He is a capitalist billionaire which means he has more allegiance with $$$

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

He's got his. He doesn't give a fuck about other gay people. He'll be fine.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I've met multiple out gay people who aren't LGBT friendly (or, more commonly, aren't 'BT' friendly) even without the profit motive of being a piece of shit like Tim Cook has.

Being LGBT certainly makes you more likely to take progressive attitudes, but it far from guarantees it.

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[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago

Money and greed overrides any sort of class or queer solidarity

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

A capitalist is a capitalist first, a capitalist second, a capitalist third, and then everything else he is after that. He'd sell the blood of his fellow queers if he thought he could turn a profit.

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[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Otherwise known as constructive dismissal. Nasty. But hey, everyone wants that new iPhone amiright?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

And apple made, like, almost $100B profit last year. It's not like they can't make their crappy stuff if they don't lay off those 100 or so people.

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The US jurisprudence of take the plea deal or face excessive charges seems to have found a home up Tim Cook's asshole.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago

Sadly, most tech companies are doing this, and they're doing it in a way that frames it as you volunteering to leave, resulting in people losing their job and being able to claim unemployment benefits.

Given how shit the job market is for certain roles (recruitment, especially), it's a horrid thing to do.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is it surprising that Apple, like every giant tech company that is way too big, treats its employees like shit? Do we think Google and Microsoft don't treat employees in a similarly shitty way? Or even any other huge company?

I have no love for Apple, but it seems like OP thinks this is something that makes Apple special. I mean single out Apple for shit like their products being overpriced or their notebooks not having enough RAM for their OS unless you want to pay a premium. This is just (really unfortunately) typical of modern late-stage capitalism.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

First, I think it has more to do with OP reacting to the article they linked rather than searching for bad things Apple specifically has done. Second, we can talk about shitty Apple products or policies for ages, but this action in particular isn't like 'Oh no, the first-gen AR/VR goggles I bought for $4,000 aren't making the world literally Ready Player One'. No, this is (one of many) business decision that is directly fucking over their own employees in ways that are threatening to their entire livelihoods; 'Either uproot your lives and move hundreds of miles away to a place statistically less safe for most of you, or you're fired'

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

is there any case law on whether forced RTO or RTO with relocation counts as constructive dismissal for unemployment purposes?

[–] neo@feddit.de 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If this forces you to quit, would it be an option to start initialing a union to get fired, instead of quitting? Forcing them to pay compensations that might be in your contract. Or would this be a bad idea with regard to the references in your résumé? (I'm not from the US.)

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sadly, there is a HUGE anti-union sentiment in tech, almost to a religious degree. I don't think the tech industry is smart enough to unionise, similarly to the video game industry, who have dealt with equal amounts of shit, yet still plug away in horrible conditions.

With that being said, while I think unions should exist in tech, I truly believe that the likes of Apple and co would gladly kill off 100k jobs and delay launches, if it means killing off union efforts. For it to be effective, it would need to be internationally recognised, have a large enough number of people to make mass firings near impossible without significant business harm, and be solely tied to minimum income equity.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You’d think a highly profitable company like Apple wouldn’t do this, but yet they do. Absolutely abhorrent

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