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A woman and two children drowned in the Rio Grande on Friday while trying to enter the U.S. near a section of the southern border where Texas National Guard soldiers have prevented federal Border Patrol agents from processing and rescuing migrants.

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[–] ThrowawayInTheYear23@lemmy.world 121 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago

Very much yes. And this time, let's complete the work.

[–] shani66@ani.social 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yes. I live in a southern shithole and i'd completely get it if America decided to bomb the entire place into a parking lot with no warnings.

[–] digeridoo@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

We should have reconstructed harder...

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 100 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Imagine being so shitty you make Border Patrol look like the fucking good guys.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 9 months ago

This is becoming a common refrain in Texas. The Uvalde shootings were bungled by multiple Texas agencies; it was Border Patrol agents who eventually stopped the shooter.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Achievement unlocked.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 75 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Right after Abbott said Texas would shoot migrants.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/01/greg-abbott-texas-shoot-migrants-border-biden-murder/

He said he doesn't because Biden would charge them for murder. Charge them now.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 71 points 9 months ago

Conservatives rejoice at the misery, oppression and death they cause. This is who conservatives are.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can we give Texas back to Mexico so they can learn a little bit about human rights?

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

as a mexican national the sentiment is bus them to NYC 🗽 Nothing would change

[–] kubica@kbin.social 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You could divert the trolley without killing anyone but they are immigrants what do you do?

[–] Kalkaline@lemmy.zip 6 points 9 months ago

Is there a way to flood one side of the tracks, run the trolley over the other, and kill everyone on board the trolley and the switchman to own the libs?

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago (4 children)

There is so much evil going on in this world you don't even have time to process each act anymore. Because there is something else every few hours.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

On today's episode of "The cruelty is the point"

[–] cranakis@reddthat.com 3 points 9 months ago

"We'll teach those goddamn migrants. How dare they come here searching for a better life?"

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] agoseris@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Conservatives only care about children before they are born

[–] 000@fuck.markets 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I didn't realize states had the power to block federal personnel from performing their duties. Maybe they should activate the National Guard to protect the border patrol guys so they can do their jobs.

[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They don't but they told their soldiers they do. Federal border control isn't going to get in a shootout over it while it goes through the legal system.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What's got me is, why bother with the legal system? Just call up the Texas National Guard into federal service and order them to enforce the law as regards Border Patrol's access to the border. If they refuse, court martial 'em. Either way, Border Patrol gets access to the border to cut down Texas' illegal barriers, and Abbott gets an unsubtle reminder about how the states are subordinate to the federal government. Win-win scenario.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So, these agents hear about an emergency situation at the park, but when they get there Texas state cops don't want to let them enter, so the agents... Just give up and go home? Gosh, no wonder people in Congress are talking about more funding for securing the border, we apparently don't even give our Border Patrol firearms if this is how easy it is to stop them.

[–] Mamertine@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Are you suggesting the Border Patrol get into a shooting match with the TX national guard? Both sides are armed. It deserves a court case, not a gun fight.

[–] theluckyone@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (5 children)

While a woman and two children drown? With all due respect, you can shove that court case right up Abbott's ass.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

And nothing of value would be lost.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago

Don't bring a gun to a tank fight. Don't even need to shoot back, just roll over them if they don't get out of the way.

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[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why is the federal government waiting for access from a state like Texas? Their officials are monsters and should be steamrolled to save lives.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Because the federal government isn't all that motivated to do anything about it. Republicans are evil and Democrats are apathetic.

[–] SrTobi@feddit.de 16 points 9 months ago

When they grandly talk that every soldier must refuse orders going against human rights, and if not, be legible to be tried and punished afterwards, they are talking about these kind of orders...

[–] Melody@lemmy.one 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Biden needs to send the Army in and take over the Texas Border enforcement.

Army outranks the National Guard, especially the state ones. The POTUS absolutely also does have power to command any National Guard unit to stand down as well.

[–] TommySalami@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Biden needs to send the Army in and take over the Texas Border enforcement.

He legally can't. He is not able to unilaterally use the military as a domestic police force. This keeps the executive from using the military as their personal cudgel.

I agree with the strong arming via national guard though. I think there are some hoops, but there's absolutely plenty of precedent for a president taking command of a state's national guard (specifically in regard to border control as well).

[–] Melody@lemmy.one 5 points 9 months ago

He absolutely can send an army unit with Orders to enforce his orders to the Nat. Guard.

[–] CaptainProton@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Not police force, but actually to patrol the border? Isn't that what they were set up to do? (Albeit to defend against state actors and not individuals)

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[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Let's remember this when Texas' grid needs federal help again.

[–] Necrosynthetik@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fuck red states. If people want to deny other people assistance in times of need, I say we do the same to them.

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I get what you mean here, but I MUST point out that many people who live in red states don't believe in the same ideology, or can't get out.

If there were a way to selectively punish the policy makers, and those that support it, I'm game. But this sounds like the same indiscriminate punishment rhetoric that Israel is using. (Please don't take offense, I know it's not how you meant it, just pointing it out)

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 9 months ago

I mean, we know who the republicans are.

Personally, I think no one who currently holds office as a republican should be allowed to hold any government office or work at any private entity that works with the government.

They've had years to leave the party as it has slid down into the nightmare it is today. The party is a hate group. Staying a member is damning.

[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Selectively punish policy makers? Um voting. That seems to not be a popular idea though.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago

This crime occurred when people were crossing the border. The FBI needs to get involved and charge all involved with giving the order and physically restraining the agents with two counts of murder, and all present (excepting the Border Patrol agents) with accessory to murder.

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