Bernie should have won.
Fuck everyone who voted for Hillary in the primary to guarantee a trump presidency.
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It was less that and more the Democratic Party completely rigging the election, and committing election fraud, in plain sight for the primaries.
It's also the way baseless smears (he owns more than one home! He once wrote something that, if taken completely out of context, is misogynist!) were amplified by neoliberals. The same neoliberals that would throw a hissy fit if someone mentioned how much Hillary "earned" from speaking to banks and hedge funds.
Or that she said marriage is between a man and a woman. Just ignored that one didn't they(
My understanding is that the US primaries are private affairs and the organisations can pick their candidates however they want. The democrats certainly did some unethical shit to snub Bernie in favor of Hillary, but I don't know if Primary shenanigans can qualify as the crime of election fraud (unless some of the states protect their primary elections in the same way they do for real elections).
No, they can't legally qualify what happened as election fraud, but I certainly qualify it as such.
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the Democratic Party completely rigging the election
Its very hard to do the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" rah-rah election dance in The Most Important Race of Our Lives, when you've got "elections are horribly run and routinely compromised by party insiders" rolling around in the back of your head.
I've been a Texas resident for my entire voting life, and the GOP nakedly fucking with the elections process is just something I can't talk about to anyone.
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I didn't see any election fraud. Can you explain how the fraud worked?
I don't have any specific memories or sources on hand since it was like 8 years ago. So by all means take this with a fairly large grain of salt.
But I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the DNC actively pushing for Hillary and denying Bernie the same resources and privileges guaranteed to other candidates. Like there was a substabtial amount of money that was intended to go to the nominee, but Hillary got it well before the primaries. Also there were the emails that got leaked from DNC execs who were very openly against Bernie and discussing ways to debase him or otherwise get support for Hillary to beat him despite their role as neutral orchestrators in the primaries.
We don't know everything. Really just the email leaks and a few reports here or there. But judging by what we do have it paints a pretty damning picture for what we don't have.
It was a lot of stuff. I'm still mad about it. Of the top of my head: they very quickly got rid of polling locations in places he was polling high in multiple states after they realized he was doing well and people were standing in line to vote for over 8 hours, they lied about stupid shit like the fake chair throwing thing they made up to make it sound like anyone on his side were violent, they ignored the caucus rules in Nevada where he clearly won based on video at the time, there was more, but it's been a long time and this are just a few examples that cross my mind on occasion
There have been a handful of times where I wish I had just written it down because I see the "I never saw/ heard about this" line often enough.
The DNC admitted collision in court, what else do you need lol
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358389-the-dnc-owes-bernie-sanders-and-all-dems-an-apology/
Now I get that this source is mainly speculative, and dependent on eyewitness account, but with how everything took place in 2015-2016, I fully see the above being a completely valid happening.
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Bernie should have won.
Its funny, because one of the worst things about him has been his decades-long staunch support for the Israeli state.
The big difference between Sanders and Biden is that he's cognizant. The ship is turning on US support for Israel and Bernie sees it. But Biden's got his head entirely lodged inside the Beltway news circuit. He's more worried about how Claudine Gay's firing is going to impact his poll numbers than what horrors Netanyahu plans to inflict on Gaza in order to force Palestinians into a Congolese exile.
It was a bit telegraphed that she backed away from Obama with promised of party electors after he left office. The r’s appeared to have known as well, because they were attacking her his whole presidency. The dems made a deal with a powerful political block in their party, and the r’s capitalized on it. If her ego would have let her back down, whole different world.
But her ego wouldn’t let her back down, so here we are.
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The DNC fucked him over man. No one wants a real progressive who cares about people as president.
i am once again thanking you bernie sanders for saying the things
Whoever is still claiming that Bernie doesn't speak truth to power anymore hasn't been paying attention for the last month or two. Better late than never to return to being the chief advocate for what the people wants but most of Washington doesn't! ✊️
Whomever is still claiming that Bernie doesn’t speak truth to power anymore
Who ever claimed that? It's essentially been the man's entire career. If he wasn't publicly speaking up early enough in this case, I'm sure it's because he was bending ears behind the scenes.
Not arguing with you, just sort of aghast that anyone (magas excepted - but we expect their opinions to be trash) would try to claim he's not a true servant of the people.
Who ever claimed that?
A SHITLOAD of people.
It's essentially been the man's entire career
True. I didn't say they were right, just that they were saying it.
If he wasn't publicly speaking up early enough in this case, I'm sure it's because he was bending ears behind the scenes.
No doubt about it.
Not arguing with you, just sort of aghast that anyone (magas excepted - but we expect their opinions to be trash) would try to claim he's not a true servant of the people.
Agreed, though I'd add Neoliberals and people who don't have any ideals of their own but still like discussing politics for the tribalism and the mud slinging. Of course, there's significant overlap between these groups..
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Whomever is still claiming that Bernie doesn't speak truth to power anymore hasn't been paying attention for the last month or two.
Hasnt been paying attention for the last decade or 4...
You know how neoliberals and their propaganda machine be..
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But without Isreal as an intermediary, how are politicians supposed to funnel billions of dollars to their friends in the defense industry?
And without letting Israel demolish and "resettle" Gaza, how are they supposed to get their hands on all of that sweet offshore gas that the Palestinians aren't letting them have anymore?
You'd think this would make the oil industry actually push for an independent Palestine, but oh well.
Nah, they know that an independent Palestine wouldn't play ball. The Israeli government would after stealing the territory, though.
Still plenty of kit needed in Ukraine.
And how can they justify a proxy genocide against Islam without Israel?
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I volunteered on his campaigns. Bernie is almost always right.
If I was American I would always vote for Bernie Sanders.
Fuck Israel
But if Biden can just ignore congressional oversight, what will this do? Can someone sue to enforce oversight?
He's currently behind the mango Mussolini in the polls and, other than "at least I'm not the other guy" being a much less effective strategy for an incumbent than a challenger no matter how awful the challenger is, this is the main reason.
Biden may be a corrupt right wing reactionary, but he's not enough of a fool that he's not beginning to realize the fact that he probably has to change course on this or run a very high risk of losing the last fair and open US presidential election.
I've heard a lot of joke names for trump, but "Mango Mussolini" takes the cake lol
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i think the executive branches crazy override powers are by design. it needs to be quick to respond to issues of national security or something.
i think it would be nice if there were a process to sue the crap out of parties which are abusing these mechanisms, though im not sure what that would look like.
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Congress can override an executive order. But the president can veto that action. But Congress can stop a veto with a 2/3s vote.
So if they controlled 2/3s of Congress they could stop anything he tries to do.
That actually seems pretty balanced.
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