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"polling suggests Trump’s attacks on immigrants make many Republican Iowa caucusgoers more likely to support him, not less."

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

Hitler's gonna Hitler.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pretty bold statement coming from the grandchild of an immigrant that's married to a immigrant...

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And his kids all have poisoned blood

[–] Pavidus@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Forgot where Grandpa came from, did he? How about his wife?

Half the damn US has roots in immigration.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean if you're not full blooded native American...

It's probably more like 99.99%

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And even then! The Native North Americans are not “native” to the Americas! They arrived 16k years ago (or more…). And do you think they migrated through the Bering strait legally??

All dirty Homo sapiens should go back to where they belong. THE KENYAN PLATEAU!

And leave the US to the true natives. The beavers and moose.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It got him attention. He loves attention. Of course he’s going to keep saying it.

[–] metallic_substance@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

What's stopping him? His mindless idiot supporters fucking love it

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I agree with trump here.

We give back the entire Continental United States to the remaining native American tribes. Then everybody living inside of the borders of the newly independent native American tribes can apply for citizenship. Seems logical and fair.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"entire Continental United States"

Natives of Hawaii : "So what about us?"

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 10 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Hawaiian_Kingdom

Hawaii is more interesting. I don't think there's a cut and dry solution. There was an internal coup by a mixed race Hawaiian inviting the US to intervene which they did. So obviously the US is in the wrong.

But Hawaii remains an intact state. So the borders haven't changed.

Fascinating history, no clean way to unwind it though.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

So, do you think that'll piss off the Cubans enough to lose Florida? It would be hilarious if that's why he loses the election.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The cubans in florida likely agree with him. They got out of cuba so long ago they don't consider themselves immigrants, so in classic Republican fashion, just let it sail on by.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Whiteness has a funny way of absorbing ethnicities into itself to maintain it's privileged position under racial capitalism. You'll find that a lot of Cubans, as long as their skin is relatively light and their accent minor/non-existent, have been white for a long time.

[–] andrewrgross 8 points 10 months ago

I think this is accurate.

Sadly, I don't think he'll face any punishment for this. I think when he does this, he's just revealed to us that these sentiments were already widespread. We'd like to believe that he's misjudged where people are at, but usually his intuition is right and it is we who have misjudged, imo.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Only as long as there are darker people to oppress

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

They may be in for a surprise if he wins.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For the most part it has an opposite effect on latino immigrants. Many see new immigrants as competition. It also doesn't help that they're entrepreneurial, and a substantial number are Catholic and they're anti-abortion.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Sure, I totally get the anti-immigration part, but he's essentially calling them poison because they're immigrants. Surely they're not a fan of that.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He obviously means those other immigrants.

[–] muse@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

The Cuban immigrants who first left because of Castro were wealthy land owners and some slave holders.

First wave Florida Cuban immigrants especially will always throw others under the bus when it comes to immigration

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It was my neighbor I was speaking with back in the day prior to the trump election.

Not only did he say that it didn't really matter. He went so far as to agree with the not sending their best people rhetoric. So yes indeed, it's "that other Latino."

He told me that where his family was from things were different. The competition was hardwired. He said politically it wasn't that far from what his family had left and he was comfortable with that as the opportunity was here.

I had moved before the kids in camps shit happened, and the putting them in foster. It would be interesting to hear if he had a change of heart. It would not surprise me to hear it did not.

He was very pro "fuck you I got mine"

Sweetest guy to me though.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There needs to be a response that immigrants ARE the blood of the nation. Full stop.

Everyone living here, and I mean EVERYONE, either came here from somewhere else or is descended from someone who came here from somewhere else.

Human beings didn't evolve in North America, we are all the children of immigrants.

https://youtu.be/5ZQl6XBo64M

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Idk, I'm comfortable saying someone is "from here" if their family history goes back >1000 years. Likewise for people with much less history here, but I don't want to get into drawing lines in the sand. If we take your statement to its logical conclusion, nobody is from anywhere except wherever the primordial soup was (or maybe we all claim Africa, since it's the furthest we have traced it back). It's absurd.

That said, I absolutely agree that immigrants are the blood of the nation. You will find no stronger proponent than me for expanding immigration. My heritage goes back some 150-200 years, though my wife and SIL are immigrants, and I welcome anyone who wants to constructively contribute to come. I just think it's silly and honestly offensive to claim indigenous Americans are somehow immigrants as well.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Like how the Europeans poisoned the Native populations blood on their arrival?

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

The guy who told people to drink bleach to cure Covid is telling people that a country founded by immigration is being poisoned by immigration.

The sad part is half the country actually believes him. Sadge.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In the days following Donald Trump’s remarks that migrants are “poisoning the blood of our country,” the 2024 GOP frontrunner was met with a wave of Democratic and media criticism, likening his speech to Nazi rhetoric.

In response to the Adolf Hitler comparisons, Trump has privately vowed to further amp up the volume on his extreme, anti-immigrant messaging, according to two sources who’ve spoken to him since his rally in New Hampshire last weekend.

By Tuesday evening, Trump was back on stage in Iowa, making clear that his supposedly “great line” wasn’t going anywhere, no matter how many people slam him for spouting Hitlerite prose.

As Trump continues to campaign on a platform of rooting out the “vermin” of his political enemies and mass-deporting the undocumented who’ve been polluting the “blood” of America, some of his high-profile allies, such as Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), have sought to defend his comments as just words, about which liberals are being too sensitive.

Trump has openly promised that in a second term, he will launch unprecedented, large-scale efforts to approach immigration as he would a literal “war” or “invasion.” This has included plotting for a massive deployment of U.S. troops on American soil to help seal the southern border.

Sources close to Trump tell Rolling Stone that he has long been obsessed with spectacles of violence, bloodlust, and cruelty — which often translate easily to his preferred policy prescriptions and messaging strategy.


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[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Of course he will. Baiting the media to compare him to Hitler has been part of his campaign strategy since 2016. For anyone who doesn’t actually know any better, it makes the media appear unhinged.