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A gigantic new ICBM will take US nuclear missiles out of the Cold War-era but add 21st-century risks (apnews.com)

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A gigantic new ICBM will take US nuclear missiles out of the Cold War-era but add 21st-century risks::A new nuclear missile is coming, a gigantic ICBM called the Sentinel. It marks the largest cultural shift in 60 years in the land leg of the Air Force’s nuclear missile mission.

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[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 73 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The fact that humanity needs the threat of nukes to maintain peace, says a lot of the disparity between the advancements of our technology and the limitations of our own primitive mentality.

I wish we were more like Star Fleet.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Last time I watched star trek high I almost cried… it’s not fair!!! That could be us but the capitalist scum playin with our lives instead.

Best the world’s oligarch trash can do is the ferengi alliance (the TNG version, not ds9)

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Best the world’s oligarch trash can do is the ferengi alliance

BRB, looking up Quark's "we're better" rant

(the TNG version, not ds9)

Oh wait, never mind.

[–] grayman@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

There's a whole bunch going on they don't talk about. There may not be money, but there's a shit load of cronyism and politics. I can only imagine the classes too. Who decides who gets land? Who gets a ship? Where me how big is your house? How does one get a job they like? There's still gardeners, construction workers, janitors, plumbers, electricians, fast food workers, and everything else. They've got IDs, so something resembling the DMV still exists too. Who wants that job? Crime 100% still exists at all levels and the courts have proven to be less than fair in many episodes.

I'd argue humans and ferengi are super similar except humans are not as outwardly greedy.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

even in that world, humans still had to take things to the brink.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

We’re just on the wrong side of the horrible wars that lead to the Federation

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In order for Star Fleet to happen, we'd need WW3.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Why do you think WW3 would finally inspire us to stop killing eachother? What makes you think there will be anything left?

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Haven't you watched Star Trek first contact? They talked about WW3 destroying governments so Cochrane built a Star Ship from an old ICBM with warp drives. Once they go faster than light, Vulcuns visit us and boom... We're a space exploring species. Peace ensues.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The one that Spock comes out of some kind of pod ?

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No. First Contact was the Picard crew.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, but who was the first Vulcan that arrived on earth ? Wasn't it spock?

[–] grayman@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

T'Mir was in 1957.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The three in FC were named T'Pau, Soval, and Solkar.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh good, we just have to rely on an alien intervention after we break the laws of physics in a controlled manner, in the aftermath of a devastating conflict.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well I guess we have solved why the universe is silent. i.e no evidence yet of intelligent life

[+] GONADS125@lemmy.world -8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Certainly not explicit evidence of intelligent life, but the UAP situation makes me wonder. I have compiled a tremendous amount of evidence supporting the claim that UAP/UFO are real intelligently controlled objects. Once again, because often people cannot separate the two, this does not prove aliens are real/that is not my argument.

The sources of information are all legitimate and you can verify them for yourself. I sourced the actual government documents from the National Archives. There's no debating the authenticity of the documents. I also included bipartisan quotes supporting the topic, including Schumer and AOC. There is also verified goverment footage of UAP.

For the people whose first instinct is to mislabel me as a crackpot and ignore the link: If you are so sure of yourself, I challenge you to read it and see if you think I'm crazy. You wouldn't say that about other pieces I write. I'm about to start my Master's in Clinical Counseling. I'm not some wild conspiracy theorist.

The amount of denial to the point where people won't even consider evaluating evidence feels like Don't Look Up.

Edit: This is an excerpt from my post for those who are so sure of themselves to consider:

I admit I had difficulty suspending my disbelief in the possibility of UAP, but there is an important example from history that ought to give the skeptic pause in unilaterally dismissing this subject before reading on. I'm referring to the discovery of handwashing, in which everyone originally rejected the antiseptic procedure and surgeons didn't even wash their hands prior to operation.

Despite his research, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He could offer no theoretical explanation for his findings of reduced mortality due to hand-washing, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. In 1865, the increasingly outspoken Semmelweis allegedly suffered a nervous breakdown and was committed to an asylum by his colleagues. In the asylum he was beaten by the guards. He died 14 days later from a gangrenous wound on his right hand that may have been caused by the beating. [43]

Like Semmelweis' research, this subject is being discounted and rejected on the basis of preexisting beliefs; not lack of reasonable evidence or ability to to study UAP. And like Semmelweis, rational individuals and scientists studying this subject are being mislabeled as crackpots, and their research misconstrued to have to do with aliens, rather than the very real phenomenon at hand.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You've put serious work into this and your writing is well stated, sourced and compelling, so far. I'm willing to suspend disbelief and take a deep dive.

and their research misconstrued to have to do with aliens, rather than the very real phenomenon at hand

Yeah. Something is clearly happening we don't understand, and I don't believe all our observations can be accounted for as advanced military tech.

Not sure how I feel about the Semmelweis comparison. On one hand, we're far more rational and advanced than then. OTHO, meh, let's not assume we know it all.

Bookmarked your site, but you better not get crazier and crazier as I read!

EDIT: I'll keep my notes here as I read. Gonna take some time!

AOC talking about, "not aliens, but some shit is happening" and "pulling threads" to unravel it. :) Y'all, AOC unravelling threads and asking questions, is exactly why Trump is getting his ass handed to him in a New York courtroom, right now.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

To your AOC edit, the kind of thing I believe she is referring to are secret projects like USAF Project 1794 that could involve modern contractors like Boeing and Lockheed Martin.

[–] Uranium_Green@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I read through the link, both the details on the air forces vehicle plans and the 'encounter' later.

This one is odd but I do still wonder what the feasible explanations of this may be.

The smell of sulphur can be cause by many things, including burning vulcanised rubber or geological activety. The radiation might be explainable, but I have no indication of what the readings were (background and of the area/objects/burns), which makes it more hard to make any suggestions. Though his injuries did immediately make me think radiation exposure...

Lastly, the molten metal recovered from the site.

What is the composition of the metal? And if they say they pried it from a crack in the rock, the shape that it has taken is too perfect... The angle on each bend is near identical, and the length of each straight is once again identical (something screams not pulled from a natural crack in rock to me).

Nothing concrete can be explained by this, but it is intriguing...

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The metal from the rock in the Falcon Lake incident was a piece of scrap metal that was already on the rock when the alleged craft landed on it, and partially melted it into some cracks in the rock.

The scrap metal was definitely human scrap metal, nothing special. But it was partially melted into the rock and irradiated.

I also find it intriguing that the Falcon Lake craft was apparently very hot, whereas we have modern thermal readings indicating modern UAP are very cold. The UAP of the Nimitz Event is one such example.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Ha! I appreciate it. I stay far away from abduction stories and stick with declassified documents and former military/DoD/Intelligence officials.

I ultimately believe UAP are real objects, but their origin is total speculation. Could be secret government tech. I personally can't rule out non-human intelligence, but there's no evidence of that. But there is evidence that UAP are real objects under intelligent control, possessing disruptive/breakthrough technology.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Any intelligent species capable of crossing interstellar space isn't letting their spacecraft be detected by us. The gulf between modern humanity and a species that can cross hundreds, thousands of light years of space is ENORMOUS.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you read the information in that link, there were crafts in our atmosphere beginning in 1947, which had capabilities that outperform our current (publicly disclosed) most advanced aircraft. The performance capabilities included speeds of thousands of miles per hour, 90-degree turns, instantaneous acceleration, and silent operation.

Many of these sightings around the world were accompanied by radar which confirmed the visual observations. Some have left detectable levels of radiation. All of this is cited in that link. Also in that link is the Nimitz Event, in which a UAP outperformed F/A-18F Superhornets and left the Top Gun pilots shaken.

I'm not stating this is technology from outside our planet. I'm not saying this can't be human technology. Look at Project 1794 in that link. That was the United States Airforce's secret contract to Avro Aircraft to build a literal 'flying saucer' powered by 6 Siddeley Viper turbo-jet engines.

It's important to note, however, that the aircraft from Project 1794 was not capable of the performance capabilities of the UAP/UFO that began being mass sighted around the world in 1947.

So either we have kept aircraft technology so far advanced that it outperforms modern declassified tech secret since 1947, or something else might be responsible.

[–] paradiso@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Have you read the book American Cosmic?

Btw I just realized people really seem to not like your comment. I urge everyone to please have an open mind when researching this topic. Yes, it's filled with a bunch of charlatans and BS, but there is definitely something to it. We like to think our current level of scientific understanding is gospel, but I believe we are barely scratching the surface.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't bother trying to convince people. Can't be done. :)

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Eh, I'm happy breaking through to a handful amid a hundred. I don't care about downvotes. To me, it's just a display of ignorance and avoidance here.

I've convinced a decent few people with that write-up so far. Went out of my way to use credible sources and stay away from alien/abduction claims. The witnesses directly quoted are all from within our military and government.

I believe most rational skeptics would be compelled to believe there is truth to UAP (not necessarily aliens..) if they read it. Problem is getting people to read it. Seriously feels like Don't Look Up.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

People are not rational though. If you paint one group in bad enough light, people will do anything to not be associated with that group. And it doesn't matter if the group is right.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah it certainly takes a while to reduce the stigma in situations like this. This subject is so heavily and systematically stigmatized.

The Robertson Panel determined our government agencies should gaslight us on the subject to avoid mass hysteria that the Soviets could exploit to cause panic (think along the lines of The War of the Worlds radio broadcast panic).

It'll take years to make progress reducing the stigma, but scientists and both commercial and military pilots around the world are beginning to facilitate that shift by providing their testimonies.

Edit: nice username by the way.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And in a billion years, we'll all be gone anyway. None of this will matter. I wish we could enjoy it now while we're here. Oh well.

[–] agraves@lm.possum.city 2 points 10 months ago

Ain't that the truth.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Commanders hope the modernization of the Sentinel, and of the trucks, gear and living quarters, will help attract and retain young technology-minded service members who are now asked each day to find ways to keep a very old system running.

Nuclear modernization was delayed for years because the United States deferred spending on new missiles, bombers and submarines in order to support the post 9/11 wars overseas.

That is 80 years after the U.S. last used nuclear weapons in war, the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan, which killed an estimated 100,000 in an instant and likely tens of thousands more over time.

However, to provide defense in depth, we will have additional security measures at the boundary and inside the network, enabling our weapon system to operate effectively in a cyber-contested environment,” Clegg said.

Those who maintain the Minuteman III have tried over the years to bring in new technology to make maintenance more efficient, but they have found that sometimes the old manual way of tracking things — sometimes literally with a binder and pen — is better, especially in frigid temperatures.

Also, when maintenance crews at Malmstrom tested some radio frequency identification, or RFID, technology — think of how seaports track items inside cargo containers — it created security vulnerabilities.

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