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Why this renewed assault? “Obamacare Sucks!!!” declared the former and possibly future president. For those offended by the language, these are Trump’s own words, and I think I owe it to my readers to report what he actually said, not sanitize it. Trump also promised to provide “MUCH BETTER HEALTHCARE” without offering any specifics.

So let’s discuss substance here. Does Obamacare, in fact, suck? And can we believe Trump’s promise to offer something much better?

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[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Obamacare does suck. It's a shitty half measure that leaves thousands to die from lack of health insurance every year and costs us a ton of money that goes straight to middle men that provide no health care.

It's better than what we had before. But we need universal healthcare.

[–] MechanicalJester@lemm.ee 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but everyone needs to be reminded that Trump wants to make it exponentially worse

[–] youngGoku@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

We need healthcare reform. Trump is not equipped for this job, however.

Also he is not capable of appointing someone to work for him who is equipped for this job.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because Obama made fun of him. That's the reason he ran for president in the first place.

Thanks, Obama.

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let's just gas light Obama for the fact Trump is actually a fucking sensitive little bitch that can't handle being poked with a joke.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

He's still pissed about the mashed potato incident...guys a fucking child.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

That's the entire answer. For those who haven't seen it, witness American history being made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The GOP has been talking 'repeal and replace' the ACA since the day it was passed. Over a decade and they are still trying to come up with a better plan.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They aren't trying to replace. They're trying to kill. If it has Obama's name anywhere near it (or anything Democrats do), they want it to die. Including Obama himself.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Just like Social Security, they were worried about having the problem of a good example of yet another government service that people like. It doesn't matter if it is overwhelmingly popular, they want to kill it.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

They 1) think free market is better by definition and 2) don't believe in social programs. So they don't need to replace, just repeal.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

They 1) think free market is better by definition

They may pretend that they think that. Some small few may even think that they think that. But they don't actually think that.

The easiest way to see what people believe is to observe their actions.

Republicans are absolutely fine with handing out big juicy government contracts to a select few contractors, for example, instead of letting the market decide.

Republicans are absolutely fine with banning books from libraries instead of letting the market decide.

Republicans are absolutely fine with starting a trade war with China, instead of letting the market decide.

Republicans are absolutely fine with banning women's access to medical care, instead of letting the market decide.

Republicans are absolutely fine with interfering with the free market and giving tons of cash to large corporations.

No, Republicans do not think free market is better by definition. They simply lie and say that when the alternative is to admit that their policy is rooted in bigotry.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
  1. don’t believe in social programs.

Except for the military, that's a social program.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Trump called them suckers and don't give them healthcare.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which they can't, because it's already the most conservative plan that had any chance of working. It doesn't even work well, it just had some kind of chance.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because it doesn't have his name on it. He's made a career of slapping his name on things other people created.

[–] lando55@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I remember him doing everything in his power to not have his name attached to the proposed ACA replacement, which is really saying something

[–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Trump, and Republicans in general, love destroying anything Obama did or cares about.

Remember though that Trump often says things just because they make his crowds cheer. Also, although he had almost 5 years he never even managed to release an outline of a plan, though I do think they are preparing much more for a second term.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Donald Trump has an inferiority complex to Obama and I'd wager its emboldened by his racism. This was kind of a big feature of his presidency, he showed the desire and capacity to un-obama everything he could.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Same reason he wants a 1980s style trade war against Japan. He doesn't think much about issues, so once he decides a soundbite is a good one, he'll use it for decades.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They hate poor people and are being paid by private healthcare companies

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

And employers. Keep in mind if you can’t afford healthcare without a job paying for it… the. You have to work, and they use that to keep you in line,

And they take it out of your earnings, so, they’re still not loosing anything

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is why "compromise" is a shit strategy when dealing with Republicans, even if it works.

We got a more conservative plan than what Mitt Romeny had drawn up, and now we've got "moderate" Dems who agree with Republicans that it went too far.

If Mitt Romeny had won, we'd unironically be in a better position with healthcare. Because Republicans would have seen the boost from Romney doing it, and wouldnt blindly oppose anything better.

And even the "moderate" Dems would have to support improvements, because they're always just to the left of Republicans. But never further to the right

But since Obama was president at the time, it might be decades till we get something better.

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Problem is here than Romney did NOT draw up "Romneycare" and even vetoed eight sections of the bill, even though all of those vetoes were eventually overridden by the Legislature.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

Wild take. If Romney was president they would have just ignored health care as an issue like Bush had just done for 8 years.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Interesting take. Are we sure that Romney would press on healthcare?

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

He wants to repeal it because it's an easy method of getting his base riled up, because they hate (are afraid of) black people.

Simple as that.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Cuz Obama is a Blah and also made fun of little donnie at the correspondent's dinner and he haz a sad about that ever since. Also explains why little donnie is a birther, too.

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because he never gave us a health care plan and knowing Obama did it (using a blueprint from his other enemy, Mitt Romney) makes his pee-pee feel small.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)
  1. The ACA does suck, but it sucks less than pre-existing conditions
  2. Trumps record with NAFTA is probably a good template. Made the deal sweeter for tech bro companies and as part of the deal settled on very narrow improvement in labor standards because canada insisted on it.
  3. We can probably expect he would rename the ACA into like trumpcare or something and add some boondoggles for insurers. Maybe dismantle medicare.
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[–] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Aw give the fella two weeks and he'll surely come up with something.

(Well, four years plus two weeks maybe)

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[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Like everything, he dislikes Obama a lot. He needs to blow up something kind of good. Then, "replace" it with something better that is always 2 weeks out from sharing. I'm pretty sure it'll be called "Trump Cares, He Really Doesn't Care"

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

“I really don’t care, do U?”-care

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because he’s an orange bitch.

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