This is arbitrary horseshit.
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I’d say arbitrary but still interesting to think about. You could take 1,000 slices in time and get lost in the data, but it’s interesting just to look at a few I don’t think it claims to be EVERY country that no longer exists
Maybe this is a beginning of someone's mapping journey, so I wouldn't be too harsh on it. If you're interested in how the borders have changed throughout the history, you could also watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Wu0Q7x5D0
I mean, what were the middle parts of Italy and Germany before? Wouldn’t those technically be countries that don’t exist anymore as well?
I think I get it now 😂
Yeah the Holy Roman Empire was quite the clusterfuck, fun to learn about though.
Neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
talk amongst yourselves
Confirmed by the pope, at least at the beginning, which for Christians at the time was as holy as it could get. At the start, it controlled Rome and was actively trying to copy certain Roman motifs. Even at the start it had multiple different language groups, If the Austro-Hungarians had an empire, then so did the Holy-Romans.
Voltaire was really just being a sassy bitch. /s
Holy Christ on the bloody cross
Now I got flashbacks from Advanced European History. Been 35+ years and you hit me with this. I won't be able to sleep tonight.
Bishopric of
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Confirmed by the pope, at least at the beginning, which for Christians at the time was as holy as it could get. At the start, it controlled Rome and was actively trying to copy certain Roman motifs. Even at the start it had multiple different language groups, If the Austro-Hungarians had an empire, then so did the Holy-Romans.
Voltaire was really just being a sassy bitch. /s
What about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland ?
Or the multiple Kingdoms which existed on both islands 1,000 + years ago ?
Historically just about the oldest recognisable country in Europe is France and even it's borders have shifted on multiple occasions.
When I was a kid, Yugoslavia was a country.
I used to work with a guy who was very insistent that he was Czechoslovak.
Not Czech nor Slovak but Czechoslovak !
Seemingly his Mother was one and his Father the other and he took great pride in his hybrid identity and allegiance to a country which no longer exists.
Probably loads of folk like that in the former Yugoslavia and USSR as well.
I can't believe this map includes Castile, but does not make any mention of Al-Andalus. That's one of the most interesting epochs of Iberian history!
Someone forgot the soviet union was a country
TBF if you're going to include all the countries that no longer exist on this map, it'd be unreadable.
Off the top of my head (and in no particular order): all the small states in the Holy Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Roman Empire, the Western Roman Empire, Dacia, Poland-Lithuania, Scotland, England, the Kingdom of Ireland, Wales, Burgundy, Al-Andalus, Czechoslovakia, the DDR, Yugoslavia, Byzantium, the Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungaria, the Irish Kingdoms, etc.
Yeah, that's my point. They included a few random ones, that existed hundred of years ago. When recently, a bunch of countries stopped existing, which makes them more rellevant today, yet are not on the map
A lot of these still exist in spirit. Catalonia, Basque Country, etc.
Isn't showing up in full, just as a thumbnail for some reason.
Wikipedia: it was.
Also, it absolutely was. Sure it was nominally a union of federal republics, but they had very little autonomy from Moscow. If you're going to argue that made the republics independent states, you might as well argue that present day states in Germany or the US are independent countries. They have more autonomy than the Soviet republics had.
Always fascinating that one of the longest existing countries was venice (and a republic at that, I think it's the longest existing republic) ... Over a thousand years! That's longer than the Roman empire (stfu no one thinks that the eastern Roman empire is the Roman empire :D) . And certainly longer that the 1000 year Reich
Put it in H!
Fascinating I never knew Venice included that part of Greece.
Prussia existed as a duchy before 1701 and was still a sovereign state until 1934, and wasn’t officially abolished until after World War II.
Need to be more specific about this.
A lot of these still exist in spirit. Catalonia, Basque Country, etc.