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Texas was found to be the state with the fewest personal freedoms, according to the Cato Institute's new Freedom Index.

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[–] eugene171@lemmy.world 155 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ex-Texan here.

It's a wonderful place to be a straight, white, Christian, middle-class male.

For every one of those things you are not, it gets worse.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What about rich instead of middle?

[–] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 14 points 11 months ago

Even better. It's only when you're rich that you actually pay less taxes in Texas. See how they're anagrams?

[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 139 points 11 months ago (4 children)

As a persone who lives in TX, i can confirm anyone who has a " Don't Tred on Me" or a "Come and Take It" sticker, flag, or shirt likes to be treaded on and will willingly give it up

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Luke 10:19:

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Really piss them off, lol.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

Lol if you think that'd piss them off, then you don't know Christians. They won't even see the irony (or if they do, they won't care), they'll just latch onto the Bible verse and tell you how it empowers them against people like you who try to test their faith.

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They're secretly hoping some liberal dominatrix walks on them and beats them up until they give up their guns?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Go up to them and quote Luke 10:19 at them, but make them look it up.

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

"Tread on me, Daddy," and "Come and take it out on my ass"

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 101 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Cato institute dissing Texas is actually hilarious. Republican infighting is the gift that keeps on giving.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

chef's kiss👌

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 72 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Never trust anything the Cato Institute says, as a rule. It's almost certainly garbage.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Came here to say this.

Ironically, Cato Institute is bankrolled by Koch brothers, the architects of modern republican party

[–] dylanmorgan 18 points 11 months ago

Is it ironic though? Seems exactly what I would expect.

[–] LetMeEatCake@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yep. We can look at the source to see what their metrics are. They have economic freedoms and personal freedoms.

The metrics for economic freedoms they used are fiscal and regulatory freedom. Focusing on fiscal, that branches down into: state taxes, local taxes, government spending, government employment, government debt, and "cash & security assets." It's obviously a libertarian based definition of "economic freedom", wherein they feel someone with $5 to their name and no obligations is more economically free than someone with $100 to their name and $10 of taxes. Completely illogical bullshit.

But you can look at it and see that a lot of them are incoherent or intentionally overlapping even if you buy into their base ideology.

Why are government spending and government taxation separate entries? Is someone with low taxes less "economically free" because their government budget is able to afford to be larger anyway? Why does government employment factor in at all? Surely — especially after you've accounted for any budgetary, taxation, and debt based impacts — there's nothing inherent to government employees existing that can be argued to impact someone's "economic freedom." Even within their base libertarian fantasies, the overlap and design of the categories will specifically make a richer, but otherwise completely identical, state less free than a poorer copy-cat.

The rest of their categories are even more bullshit. They have an entire section under personal freedom categorized as "Travel Freedom." A sane person might define that as both the right and the capacity to travel places. They define it as "This category includes seat belt laws, helmet laws, mandatory insurance coverage, and cell phone usage laws." So a state is less "free" according to Cato if it makes it illegal to text while driving.

tl;dr it's all libertarian bullshit.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 43 points 11 months ago (12 children)

For real freedom, move to Scandinavia.

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Cant speak to freedoms, but I've never witnessed a more intense social pressure to confirm to social norms than I did there

[–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 20 points 11 months ago

Where’s Japan sit in the list?

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 31 points 11 months ago

From the part of small government, comes…..

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

But they let you have guns, cheap oil, and the premise you should mock other states for not being Texas.

[–] Grunt4019@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the overall freedom rankings, New Hampshire rated number 1, followed by Florida and South Dakota, while New York was dead last, with Hawaii 49th and California 48th. For personal freedoms, Nevada came tops followed by Arizona and Maine, with Wyoming 48th and Idaho 49th

Florida ranks number 2 for overall freedom? Not sure how much I trust the Cato institute’s methodology.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But don't they have the gunz and the low taxez?!!!?

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Texas has one of the highest tax rates for poorer people last i hear

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 50 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yup. When you take into account all state taxes, including their very high property taxes, you pay less taxes in California than texas if you make less than 660k.

After 660k? You save tons and tons of money. There is a reason a bunch of billionares have moved their "permanent residence" to the state

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[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 11 months ago

No shit, being able to own as many guns as you want but having a militarized police force that'll try to figure out how many teeth you can swallow if you don't pray to them isn't actually freedom.

[–] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's like raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiinnnn...

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago

Are far less than they are in other parts of the world.

Yes, that is what this post is saying.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago

All that sweet, sweet economic freedom causes Fled Cruz.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Gun owners and WASPs: the irony!

[–] gearheart@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

Land of the oppressed.

[–] DMBFFF@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

It's not too surprising given that Texas was founded as a slave republic.

I suppose things might be mitigated, though:

women who need abortions can go to New Mexico for such (that and more regular use of pregnancy tests).

maybe get a driver's license out of state and use it in Texas—I also wonder if one can use fake fingerprints.

maybe have open-carry marijuana protests on Hitler's Birthday.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I drove from Houston to San Diego once. It was 26 hours and a ton of it was within Texas. You can drive for 8 or more hours and easily still be in Texas.

Also, out-of-state license whilst residing in Texas is illegal. You only have so many days (14, IIRC) to change your address on your Texas license if moving within Texas. I got hit with that at a traffic stop.

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