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[–] TheSageRedneck@lemmy.one 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

European Union is doing the work the U.S. government should be.
U.S. government is too busy worrying about what people are doing in their bedrooms, libraries and doctor's offices.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 39 points 1 year ago

Beyond being good for right-to-repair, this used to be the one way to be sure that your phone is off and is not listening to you. It's a stride on the privacy side as well.

[–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great news! No point in 5 or 6 years of software updates when the battery gives out after 3 years.

[–] veaviticus@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I've replaced some "non replaceable" batteries in phones before... Only to find that after about 5 years of medium use the flash storage goes to shit (which causes massive slow downs), the chips begin to desolder themselves, the USB port gets janky and stops charging, etc.

Batteries are a great first step, but damn these $1000+ devices just are not built to last more than 3 years

[–] shanghaibebop@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, they are pretty damn stressed devices though.

If you think about it, they are on 24/7, with active usage at least 4-6 hours a day, exposed to god knows what humidity, unknown low and high temps, dropped every x days. It’s a modern technological miracle that they last as long as they do. Lots of read and writes with photo and video backups.

My 5 year old X died a month back (flash memory failed), I was actually impressed that it lasted that long.

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[–] MrTHXcertified@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I don't mind that my phone battery is sealed up. I do mind that I have to bring it to a specialist that might screw it up and make me pay for the privilege.

Actually, this bothers me way more with laptops than with phones. With laptops, there's no water resistance or any other reason besides thinness to seal the battery up. Particularly with business machines, the computing power will be more-than-sufficient for many years to come, yet many will end up in the trash because the battery's no longer doing its job. It's ridiculously wasteful.

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[–] alottachairs@beehaw.org 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes! mandatory usb C and replaceable battery, and i'd like the 3mm headphonr jack to also be a standard 😁

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Me too, but that one might be dead for good.

[–] zev@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out of the phone vendor fuckery with the connector, battery, micro SD, and headphone 3.5mm, the headphones were always the biggest thing.

Bring it back please EU hear my prayers. Right now I’m listening to music on my iPhone with a half broken dongle that pauses if I jiggle it wrong.

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[–] Sabakodgo@lemmy.fmhy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Good, now add SD card please.

[–] Dusty@lemmy.dustybeer.com 24 points 1 year ago

And headphone jacks

[–] NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

These days I don't buy a phone if they don't have a micro SD slot. Need that extra space without paying a bullshit upcharge for the larger model phone

[–] omenmis@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

tbh SD cards are out and mostly for power users, make them compatible with M2 drives :))

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[–] wildeaboutoskar@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The EU has been good at holding phone manufacturers to account on this kind of thing, glad it's gone through. I've had at least two phones die on me through the battery breaking, it shouldn't be cheaper to just buy a new phone than get the battery replaced. So much waste.

Hoping us UK folk will see the benefit of this as I imagine it's less effort to just bring the change about across the board than to be specific about geography.

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[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't even want to replace my battery. I want it to last. At least 5 years.

Bring legislation that enforces a 5 year warranty on batteries that are built-in. That would help the environment much more than being able to replace a battery every year that shouldn't fail in the first place. And yes, it's possible to build batteries that last longer. It's more effort, true. But so is building exchangeable batteries or doing an exchange. I rather shell off 50 € more for my phone when I know that the battery will make it 5 years.

[–] mpldr@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I want it to last. At least 5 years.

That is something that would be very hard to legislate. Especially since battery lifetime is dependent on a variety of external factors (charging-style, temperature of the device, luck). Build quality certainly also factors in, but even the best battery won't survive a 10 year old regularly overheating their phones with games and charges it for the entire night. I would love to see OEMs implement nice things like "capacity settings", where you can set your device to stop charging at 80% and show it as 100%.

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[–] Steinsprut@szmer.info 22 points 1 year ago (11 children)
[–] rysiek@szmer.info 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same! But the beauty of it is that this effectively creates a competitive advantage for Fairphone. Fairphone is already compliant, while all other smartphone companies will have to develop this from ~scratch.

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[–] haych@lemmy.one 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Back in the day I used to just keep 2-3 fully charged spare batteries if I went out. No need for a battery pack to recharge if I can just quickly swap battery and get a days worth of charge instantly.

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[–] gpl@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any battery is replaceable if you pry it hard enough

[–] iamhazel@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

Every component is replaceable ~by buying a new iPhone~

-Apple

[–] bouncing@partizle.com 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I don't really see the benefit anymore. My current device lasts ~40 hours on a charge, so I seldom find the need to swap anything out. Even if I did, those little USB battery packs that charge multiple devices are more practical. On a long flight, my wife and I just share one and it works on the Switch and tablet too.

Sealed devices have way better water resistance, less plastic makes the batteries themselves bigger, and wireless charging (especially with magnets) will be challenging to add to a battery that's also the back cover.

I'm sure I'll be in the minority on this, but, I don't really have any interest in a removable battery, especially if it involves other compromises on size, capacity, and features.

[–] ironhydroxide@partizle.com 23 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I see it as a longevity thing.

Sure you can bring another battery pack with you and charge your device from it, but at some point your internal battery will be degraded enough that it essentially needs to be plugged in to function, which is not feasible.

Being able to easily replace the thing in the device that wears out fastest is a good thing.

Granted I expect if this does go through, that mfg will make the battery hard to replace by other means (ie drm locks) making sure they can nickel and dime the consumer all the way.

[–] olrik@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Being able to easily replace the thing in the device that wears out fastest is a good thing.

Yeah, it's like buying a car without being able to change the tyres.

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[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It must be nice to have leaders that actually do useful things.

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[–] catacomb@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This is why I got a Fairphone. I was done complaining about the direction of the mobile market and decided to buy a phone which lets me do all of this and has longer support for software and hardware. It's the best phone I've had since the S3.

It only works for me because I like Android, live in Europe and have big enough pockets, though... the thing is a brick.

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[–] tr00st@lemmy.tr00st.co.uk 15 points 1 year ago

The language in the article does seem to forget that plenty of early smartphones had replaceable batteries... Yeah, it might add some bulk, but it's not exactly going to be a major hardship.

... but it seems like a good reverse step to me. Any consumer replaceable part is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't even care about it being super easily replaceable. It would just be nice if the phone wasn't basically filled with glue...

[–] rysiek@szmer.info 14 points 1 year ago
[–] pjb@lemmy.spacestation14.com 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Now require manufacturers to provide like 5 years of OS updates so devices aren't insecure bricks once you get updates.

OR disallow banking apps from blocking custom ROMs/root, so you can just install your own updates ROM without losing updates.

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[–] harmonicarichard@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

At long last. I really miss being able to swap phone batteries. Phone batteries are light, compared to external batteries.

[–] livingcoder@lemmy.austinwadeheller.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to have a phone with a replaceable battery and it was awesome. I would charge the other battery while using the phone all day, carefree. When it was about to die, I'd swap out the battery. It was basically like I had an instant charge of 100% on my phone. Those were good days.

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[–] UlfKirsten@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

Holy Shit if that holds up it will have massive consequences

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

Hell yes! This has been a big sticking point for me since they started being removed around 2016. I hung on to my Note 4 until it was tired around 2019/2020, bought an LG V20 as it was the most recent 'flagship' still using a removable battery, then I finally crossed over to the darkside with the S21 Ultra.

Hopefully options will open up over the next few years as even if you don't want a removable battery, your preference shouldn't dictate the entire market. The smart phone market is way too homogeneous where every phone is essentially the same in a mildly different brick shape with a different logo.

[–] Ishrin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

Anyone remember the LG V10? Mine came with an extra battery and a charging dock for the external batteries. Never plugged that phone up once in 2.5 years, just took 10 seconds to swap in a full battery.

[–] DarkOoze@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm fine with internal batteries, but please use some form of standard cell size and connector.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 10 points 1 year ago

Good. With this, my next phone might also last 6 years, as my last one did. I'm not so confident with my current phone, as it's exactly one of these glued shut types where replacing the battery is extremely difficult.

[–] radau@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 points 1 year ago

All for this. The amount of times I've needed to do a full reset that would've been so much easier with a removable battery is wild. Waiting 10 hours for it to discharge is nuts

I wish this would and bring replaceable phone batteries back to the US as well, since it with theoretically be easier for brands just have a single model for all countries so if they are forced to have replaceable batteries in Europe then they'd end up having them in the US too, but unfortunately I highly doubt that we'll be the case, as demonstrated by Apple taking extra effort to put geolocation code in their phones that unlocks "sideloading" when you are in Europe but then locks it again when you're outside of your Europe. As it turns out the extra effort it takes to create an exception to your hardware and software for Europe is far outweighed by the extra profit of being able to keep giving a more locked down products to everyone else.

[–] nickk@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I wonder how something like this could affect waterproofing.

[–] stn@kayb.ee 8 points 1 year ago

It typically does impact waterproofing, but the majority of use cases won't encounter an issue.

In saying that, though, the Fairphone 4 has pulled off an IP54 rating, so there's still hope!

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[–] ShesDayDreaming@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is a step in the right direction, but because phones are now extremely sophisticated they frequent need security updates, but phone manufacturers only support a phone for about 3 years that also needs tackling because that will also help reduce ewaste.

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[–] killbox@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Would this affect the waterproof ratings of phones? It would make the phone less sealed.

[–] withersailor@aussie.zone 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plenty of phones were waterproof with removable batteries before a marketing campaign.

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