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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago (49 children)
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[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'll answer your question with another question: is it Vegan to eat bacon made from a pig you personally raised up from birth after it dies naturally having lived a full life?

If you define Veganism as a diet, then bacon's bacon. If you define Veganism as a personal reaction to the cruelty of industrial farms, then perhaps this is how you get Vegan bacon. If you define Veganism as something more spiritual, then perhaps desecrating your dear friend's corpse by eating it is even worse.

[–] markr@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m in the road kill is vegan camp, so sure after Winnie croaks chow down.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't roadkill another symptom of human cruelty, i.e. building roads and cars, creating a death trap that cuts through eco systems? The only real difference is that roadkill exists because of carelessness rather than intention.

[–] lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Roadkill is a side effect of our advancement as a civilization. Unfortunately there is no way to avoid using cars or transportation if you want to keep living in our society.

Roadkill is akin to crop deaths, a side effect of our advancements. No other way to keep our society, but animal farming can be completely avoided and it's easy and cheap once you get to it.

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[–] Susaga@ttrpg.network 29 points 1 year ago (20 children)

I would say yes. Plants feed off of the bodies of dead lions according to this animated documentary I saw, and that doesn't make them any less vegan. Then again, I'm not a vegan, so I might be entirely wrong.

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[–] oddityoverseer@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Vegan here. Interesting question! I think you're going to get a different answer depending on the vegan you talk to. Personally, this is the definition of veganism I subscribe to:

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

By that definition, for me, it is not vegan. If the VFT has been grown by humans, and fed insects, then that is non-vegan, because there was a lot of animal suffering that went into growing that VFT. Furthermore, VFTs are not required for sustaining the human body, so the only reason to do this is for human pleasure or something.

Edit to add: if the VFT was found in nature, I probably still wouldn't consume it, because 1) I don't even know if VFTs are edible 2) if they are, I've got better food with me that probably caused less animal suffering, and are less morally ambiguous.

[–] Track_Shovel 7 points 1 year ago

Thanks! A legitimate answer, other than people calling me a moron.

I'll admit, this was a 'is a hotdog a sandwich' kind of question.m, but I learned something too!

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

They're also rare, not supposed to harvest, instead you should buy them from people who cultivate them as to not harm the "wild" population.

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[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe there are some vegans who won't eat figs because they absorb the body of a certain type of wasp. I forget the details, but the point is - it probably depends on the vegan

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

One key detail of that is that the figs contain the bodies of that type of wasp, so you're technically still eating an animal if you're not extremely careful.

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[–] hallettj@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Maybe a better case study would be figs since people actually eat those. From what I'm seeing in search results there is some difference of opinion, but maybe the prevailing opinion is that figs are fine for vegans because they are not intentionally exploitative or cruel to animals.

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[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. They aren’t digesting meat, they are absorbing potassium and fixed nitrogen. The plant cells are, well, plant cells.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the plant is carnivorous are it's cells not the product of animal suffering?

[–] sizzler@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Nature's metal. We can't change that. However for the first time in history you have the opportunity to not eat the only companions we have in the universe.

[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am in awe. I've been vegan for 26 years, but this still caught me off guard. Simple, profound, brilliant. Thank you.

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[–] otter@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago

I can't breathe from laughing at this.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes. It's a plant. Made of plant things. In the same way that plants that are fertilized by dead bodies would also be vegan. You aren't eating meat. The plant is receiving sustenance from breaking down that organic material but you aren't.

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[–] Floey@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If the VFT was grown for human purposes such as eating then no it would not be vegan, as they require a small but steady stream of bugs to grow. Though if you found a feed alternative like a nutrient pill then I guess it could be vegan. As for a VFT found in the wild then yes it would be vegan, anything it has consumed in the past wasn't done so for your sake.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

In the same way as eating a cow is not considered vegan even though the cow only eats grass, yes eating a plant that eats flies would still be vegan.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is murdering a murderer who plans to murder again murder?

I imagine there is gray in veganism, as with all philosophical life choices.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you murder a murderer, the number of murderers in the world stays the same.
So you should murder at least two.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I’ve taken some high school algebra so let’s see how I can analyze this.

  • Is murdering a murderer who plans to murder again murder?
  • Is murdering X murder
  • Murdering X = murder
  • Is murder murder?
  • Yes
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I feel like whatever the answer is, it has to be the same as "is eating mushrooms vegan?"

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