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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 251 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Nationalize his assets and deport him to South Africa

[–] CryptoRoberto@sh.itjust.works 123 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Tesla was built off the backs of the US taxpayer. It's so crazy to me that he's too dumb to realize being a toxic right winger is bad for business. He gets tax payer funds from the Democrats, his customers definitely skew left of center. I always thought Tesla was insanely over valued, but with all his bullshit and the major car manufacturers giving them competition now Tesla is bound to collapse...

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Xesla has shaved $40k of the MSRP of their top end models since January.

I wonder why that is?

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You mean aside from them literally losing features over time, adding bullshit recurring payments for basic technologies, and promising for like a decade that every year was THE YEAR full auto pilot would come out? Well aside from that stuff, it's probably all that stuff the guy above said.

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[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 166 points 1 year ago (22 children)

The US has spent at least 80 Billion dollars arming and supporting Ukraine in it's defense against Russian genocidal aggression and Western expansion that puts the entire NATO block in jepordy, why is Elon fucking Musk allowed to put his thumb on the scale in favor of the enemy? Why isn't anyone in the Biden administration tearing him a new asshole form stem to stern, why isn't anyone in the Biden administration publicly discussing nationalizing Starlink. We're literally throwing money into conflict (for absolutely necessary, vital, and justified reason) that one man is deciding the outcomes of, and the United States government is just ..... what .... ok with this?

[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm just some dumbfuck but,..money?

[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much - Muskrat most likely privately funds (read: bribes) enough government officials to either stand by and do nothing or actively interfere.

This advisor should also consider the lack of response from the US itself as part of the problem - Muskrat is helping out an enemy, but uhhh… what the fuck did the government do to curb that shit from happening in the first place?

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One thing that seems to be the case with Biden's administration - there's a lot going on behinds the scenes that we're not aware of.

You're right, there should be some life changing repercussions for Musk. Hopefully we'll find out those are in the works.

[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would require holding a billionaire accountable in some way though?

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

If we’ve learned anything from the Trump indictments, it takes many years to build a watertight case against somebody with lots of legal resources.

Do we need to hold Musk accountable? Yes. But also we need to do it in a way that he can’t wriggle out of, and that means years of legal work first.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

It's insane to me that the CEO of a private company can directly engage to change the outcome of a battle without the whole population completely losing their shit over it. This asshole turned off his product to intentionally prevent our ally from succeeding in a battle against our enemy. And his reason is that he was trying to prevent escalation. How the fuck is that his call to make?

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 120 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No. The real question is why does one man, because of his wealth, have so much power over the life and death of other people he has no interest in.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Wealth and capitalism is anti-democratic. And this is a prime example.

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[–] Why9@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Wait, are you saying Elon Musk's actions directly resulted in innocent women and children being murdered?

It would be terrible if more people started saying that Elon Musk murdered innocent women and children.

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[–] Surreal@programming.dev 79 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Elon Musk is afraid of Putin's revenge. Crucial infrastructure like Starlink should be handled by the government, not a corp. Otherwise the corp will prioritize shareholders and profit rather than human's life

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Putin 100 percent has kompromat on Musk. Likely the pedophile shit he did with Trump and Epstein.

[–] Misconduct@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago

I'm so tired of these literal cartoon villains having power I stg

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[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So, explain to me how Elon should not be considered a strategic target now? He is materially supporting the Ruzzians by killing innocent civilians. He cannot be ignored at this point.

It seems he should be considered an obvious target by anyone who wishes to support the Ukranian defense. Maybe someone close enough to him supports Ukraine and will see a moral obligation (and opportunity) to defend Ukraine.

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia is a sanctioned nation with a public history of cyber attacks and false flag attacks on Americans. They also openly meddled in the 2016 and 2020 elections (thank fuck they didn't pull 2020 successfully).

Providing aid and comfort to Russian military and political figures is explicitly treason.

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[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm amazed US DOD hasn't torn him a new asshole considering they're now paying to use Starlink in Ukraine. Musks ability to decide how Starlink should be used is a clear security risk.

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[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Its interesting that he’s poking the marshmallow here, because Musk can still turn off Starlink, or make it unusable for Ukraine as much as his contract with DoD allows. This implies that Ukraine screamed bloody murder about this months ago, and DoD has given them gear to be able to bypass Starlink.

I think DoD also doesn’t like Elon having this kind of power, and allowed him to be a stopgap now that they never plan to use again. It’s interesting from a geopolitical and financial perspective for Starlink; they blew it and they’re not a future reliable partner for taking Russia’s side.

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[–] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's a saboteur. Detain the mother fucker and try him for treason. At the very least, his removal from his companies is paramount to national security at this point.

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[–] Danc4498@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

God damn that was so well said. All I could come up with was “Fuck Elon Musk”.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US should nationalize Starlink. If private business decisions are going to undermine world stability then those decisions are antithetical to any kind of peace and need to be treated as the threat that they are. A single person picking sides shouldn't result in a casual body count that Elon never is punished for but it now does and he looks to be getting away with actual manslaughter.

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[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ukraine should make sure he doesn’t do that again

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago

"But wait, there's more!"

Seems to be the to not only be a famous line from the late Billy Mayes, but also the correct response when someone is disgusted by what a shit person Musk is...

Didn't think "Child Murderer" was going to wind up on his sin list.

At least we have a public confession, try him.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Starlink is a great system. The problem is its idiot owner, Musk, who is more worried how the use of Starlink in the Ukraine is going to affect his company stock. You're in the big leagues now, Elmo. You cant "sort of" commit to a war unless you're a rich Saudi dilettante, who wants to try his hand at international shiat-stirring.

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[–] cantsurf@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

Whether or not any of this bullshit is true, I'm just glad that there's growing distain for billionaires.

[–] tootbrute@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Exactly why taiwan is looking to build their own system. You can't entrust anything to musk with his deep saudi-china links

Taiwan, meanwhile, is hesitant to use Starlink’s services for fear of Musk’s close ties with China. A dominant player in the global chips market, Taiwan feels exposed to the constant threat of Chinese invasion. Using Starlink might be one way to bolster its national and data security—especially when Taiwan suspects China of cutting its submarine internet cables. But for Taiwan to rely too heavily on Starlink might prove unwise, in the event that China pressures Musk to limit network access abruptly, as he has done in certain situations in Ukraine.

https://qz.com/china-taiwan-starlink-elon-musk-satellite-tensions-1850691740

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[–] a9249@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (12 children)

That's treason,.... is it not?

[–] vandermouche@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For Ukraine yes this treason. But in USA if you an oligarch with a lot of money you can do what you want. I won't be suprise if the republicans will promote to stop the war by not sending ressources to Ukraine. You know, to promote democracy and free world...

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[–] Cyder@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Musk is creeping into super-villan territory.

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[–] SaltyLemon66@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Why the fuck are they relying on starlink.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They don't have a choice, everything else requires ground based infrastructure.

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[–] coffee@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Because Russia blew up domestic infrastructure, so satellite based communication looked like a decent alternative.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Musk needs to be charged with war crimes along with his kremlin allies.

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[–] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

I really hope Mr free speach doesn't do anything about this scathing entirely accurate tweet about what an egoistical monster Elon is posted on the platform Elon owns.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 year ago

Somebody as weak as Musk should not have responsibility like that.

[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s because Elon finds Putin more relatable than the people Putin is attacking.

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[–] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do we know what the details of the DoD contract outlined in terms of services provided? Musk seems to be retorting that the service was never meant to escalate conflict in the war, but I'd be curious what is actually on paper.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Can you imagine the DoD signing a contract that literally blocks Ukraine from taking back territory that's been occupied by Russia? Eventually Russia would occupy the entire country because Ukraine could never strike back. IMO Musk is a lying SOB.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not only a fraud, but also a terrorist support.

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[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So that constitutes a war crime at this point, correct?

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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

There's a good chance Putin is richer than Musk....just saying. And since there is that chance, what are the chances Putin has money in Musk's various businesses?

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