"Granted, these sound like basic table stakes for federation to work well within the Fediverse. Most Mastodon servers collect roughly about the same amount of data for basic features to work correctly. But again, Meta is first and foremost an advertising and data harvesting company..."

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[–] starman@programming.dev 26 points 1 year ago

Fuck them

[–] ryan@the.coolest.zone 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I realize we're all on the "fuck Meta" train (and yes, fuck 'em), but I will note that my kbin instance is also collecting all of that from y'all just due to how federation works (except for IP address I believe).

[–] sznio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You definitely have access logs that contain IP addresses.

[–] ryan@the.coolest.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Access logs, sure, but I'm thinking of like federated user logs. Because for example, you're not accessing the.coolest.zone, you're on lemmy.world. I wouldn't have your IP address, and even if you dipped over to the .zone I'd not be able to associate it with your account.

I assume what they mean by IP address collection is in fact access logs, as opposed to everything else which comes thru standard ActivityPub protocols. And, Meta being Meta, they probably have enough info and tracking pixels on us all to be able to correlate all that data together.

[–] mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I knew you glowed.

[–] nebula42@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And this is exactly why I swapped instances, because

I don't want my family seeing my masto account, it's a safe space online for me and
I don't wanna support threads being apart of the fediverse.

[–] goo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which instances are recommended to migrate to?

[–] nebula42@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I personally migrated to toot.site, but any of the instances listed on fedipact.online aren't federating with threads if you don't wanna go on toot.site for whatever reason.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I don't want my family seeing my masto account, it's a safe space online for me and

Wouldn't it be better to open one without your name in that case?

[–] wutBEE@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly, Meta federating is probably the best chance of Mastodon becoming accessible to the larger public, and I’m all for anything that brings us closer to a world where Twitter isn’t top dog.

And I say this as someone who’s rooting for BlueSky/ATProto, not Mastodon.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meta isn’t connecting to Mastodon to make Mastodon better, it’s doing it to get free users for Threads. As soon as it has enough Treads-first users, it will break or stop supporting Mastodon and most users of Mastodon will wonder where all the content went.

This is behind lots of tech companies’ support for open standards. The adopt, modify, dominate, and then drop the open standards and move on.

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

That’s the one, couldn’t remember those E’s for a good google search term.

[–] blue_berry@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Another opinion would be that the Fediverse is currently so small that Meta doesn't really care about it. Its a nice feature with which they can set themselves apart from Bluesky and apear as the good guys to the public and regulators. I don't necessarily think Meta has a plan to destroy the Fediverse or suck all energy out of it. Mark Zuckerberg said he wants to bring micro-blogging to billions of users. Mastodon is only penuts there.

[–] makr_alland@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Regarding the IP address, how are they going to get it? I assumed that servers wouldn't pass them along to other nodes, isn't that the case?

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought IP addresses are accessible to all 3 instances (where the account is, where the post is made, and where the post is viewed)

Otherwise it would be hard to deal with spam bots from an instance, and the only avenue would be to defederate.

The issue here is that other instances use the IP address to prevent spam and they don't track it unless they need to

[–] poVoq 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, IP addresses of the users are only known to the instance you connect to directly / have an account on.

Spam is managed on a user account level, not user IP level.

That said, user IPs leak to other instances due to Lemmy's incomplete image caching, but that is entirely unrelated.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Good to know :)