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Ramaswamy breaks with GOP candidates, says Pence missed ‘historic opportunity’ on Jan. 6 (thehill.com)

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 178 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

What he and others who make this argument refuse to comprehend is this: If the VP were allowed to pull a stunt like this, then we are essentially saying that the VP picks the next President of the United States. No need to hold an election; might as well just have Harris declare Biden the winner of 2024 already and let's just skip right to the swearing in. Heck, let's be efficient about it -- who wants to be President in 2028? Might as well have Harris declare the winner of that election too. Look at that; we've got the Presidency sorted out for the next decade or so, and we can spend the next few years prepping someone like AOC for the White House in 2032.

I mean that's the way it works, right? The VP can just unilaterally declare who did and didn't win the election, right GOP? Because if this is the rule you're gonna set forth, we might as well take full advantage of it......

[–] 72bitvirgins@lemmynsfw.com 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don’t understand… Only Republican VPs can ignore voters when calling elections. If a Democrat tried to pull that shit it’s obvious treason.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Same reason you can't confirm a Supreme Court Justice during an election year... when a Democrat is president.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed to me it also seems just dumb for pence. By not commiting treason he's made an enemy of trump, and therefore trump supporters for life. He should really just court the anti-trump republicans rather than continuing to try and win back the unrecoverable trump base.

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[–] Fpsfrank85@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

No not like that!

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Harris should absolutely threaten to do this if they don't shut the fuck up and stop trying to overthrow the country. Go full Dark Harris. Fuck it. The repugs already believe anyone NOT them is a Demon anyways.

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[–] patachu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, no, letting the VP pick any successor makes it too easy for them to game the system! We should come up with a completely objective, impartial method.

The oldest child of the current President becomes the next President.

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As others are reporting, he also said he would have certified the results.

So he's mostly trying to have both ways.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This is the same asshole who, after people calling him out for not being a voice for POC (aka 'skin folk ain't always kinfolk ') said that these were the words of the modern Grand Dragons. This fucking idiot is calling the left the KKK (as do all Republicans because they can't admit the ancestors of their party were the KKK) because he's just a brown voice for white supremacy and the party/culture of POC oppression and murder.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like any Republican voters would vote him into office? He must be delusional.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

He is a billionaire in biotech/pharmaceutical space. He is auditioning for FDA chief of HHS secretary spot. He will say anything and everything to get that spot. He will even throw the entire Indian community under the bus in a heartbeat if it benefits him.

Voice of POC my ass. He is a voice for POS for sure.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vivek is the guy all the old white republicans are referring to when they backpedal and say “no, wait, what I just said isn’t racist because I have a friend who is a brown person!”

Vivek doesn’t realize that he’s that guy.

Also, knowing the GOP base’s predilections, I give him precisely 0% chance in the Republican primary.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

He didn’t get the bump in polls he hoped for in the debate so he’s going more extreme. It’s a bold move but won’t help, and only dooms his chances of winning a general election by saying this.

[–] agentsquirrel@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well, he is correct in that it would have be historic. A bigger opportunity for Pence right now would be to have some balls and a backbone, call out Trump for the criminal, insurrectionist, and traitor that he is, and lead the Republican party back to its so-called morality, law-and-order, and "character matters" roots. I'm not a fan of Pence by any means (I totally disagree with him on nearly every issue), but this is the real historic tragedy of Pence and his political career.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yup, and such an easy way to stand out from the other candidates.

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[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This dude sounds dangerous as fuck.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He has zero government experience, has never held a real job, and he doesn't understand how the nation operates. Pretty much a complete moron with money.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That worked well for the last Republican presidential candidate to win.

[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Yep, I'm done thinking ridiculous candidates have no chance in the country. He needs to stopped.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude literally jumped into the Republican party pitching what they were all thinking

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[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

He also pitched his campaign finding as a pyramid scheme. If you recruit people to fund his campaign, whatever they give to him, you get 10 percent back.

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Why are you talking about Trump under a Ramaswamy post? ;)

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is an intelligent guy. He isn't firing from the hip. He's saying what the party wants to hear to try and get more attention on him. I wonder if he's trying to be Trump's VP candidate.

I'm not saying I agree with any of his shit, just saying this is calculated on his part. I also don't really agree with Pence with much of anything, but certifying the election results and being against the Jan 6th insurrection is something I appreciate.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's face it, his best play to become President is to be Trump's VP. It is very possible that Trump wins the election while in prison, and I doubt he will be let out to take his oath of office. Boom! Instant President Ramaswamy!

[–] kale@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

In many fields, the best players often come in second or third place consistently. This is because some reckless person risks way too much to come in first. The risky move has 90% chance to fail, but someone makes the 10% chance and wins big.

This is his play. Randomly guessing 70% of GOP voters consider Jan 6th a dangerous thing. He's letting all of the other candidates fight over the 70% while he tries to get the other 30% vote. He pretty much can't win with the traditional campaigning methods (although on average they are more likely to succeed) so he has to go risky. He's stuck with that position if it succeeds.

Or he could be a true believer. I lean towards most of it being a calculated play, though.

[–] Gatsby@discuss.online 6 points 1 year ago

I wonder if he’s trying to be Trump’s VP candidate.

I think that apart from Mike Pence and Chris Christie it's clear that none of these Republican candidates have any delusions of securing the GOP nomination. They're all auditioning to be Trump's VP and I guarantee they admit it in private. So I agree with you here. Ramaswamy is saying what he needs to in order to get Trump's attention and win over the MAGA crowd.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I think it goes one step further than a VP audition. I think this rich guy saw Trump’s family members enrich themselves off of his presidency, and he’s thinking he could do the same as Trump’s VP.

[–] vamp07@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My bullshit meter with Ramaswamy is off the charts. He will say anything if he thinks it will give him traction with the Trump crowd.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

This guy does not realize he's too brown for that shit

They will absolutely throw him in the gas chambers if he helps them get into power

Him, MTG, and Clarence Thomas should form a Leapords Eating Faces club.

[–] hogunner@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed. He says anything outrageous that will grab him headlines and based on how often I’m now seeing articles on him, it’s working. I don’t think it will earn him the nomination but I doubt that’s his true goal anyway.

[–] vamp07@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

In the past, I think I would laugh off a candidate like this, and assume what he says is not what he means. After Trump I no longer would take that risk.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Brown Republican, so fucking dumb. Nobody on the right is going to vote for this dude.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's not running to get elected. He's running to get famous and to raise money. Plus to distract from his own legal issues.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I think he's running to scoop up the Trump voters in the event that Trump is disqualified from running or is otherwise unavailable. If the Trumplicans are forced to abandon ship, he wants to be the obvious next choice.

But you're right about his ultimate goal. I don't believe he thinks he has a good chance to actually win the presidency. If he is the republican nominee, there are going to be an awful lot of racists staying home on election day.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

None of them are actually running for President. MAYBE Christie. But that's it.

The rest of them were participating in a job interview for Trump's VP pick masquerading as a debate.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

A historic opportunity to end American democracy??

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, Pence did the right thing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pence did the only legal thing. He did the bare minimum and won't even own it.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He did the only thing possible. He did not have the option to send the electors back to their states or delay the certification of the election. Had he tried, his largely ceremonial role in the process would have been bypassed, and he would be now indicted as a coconspirator.

Edit: a typo on that last word, and my autocorrect's attempt to make sense of my gibberish has given me an excellent idea for a themed drink for your sentencing watching parties: The coconut-spirit-orange. Coconut rum and oj. You're welcome.

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Amazingly.

[–] GingerPale@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (10 children)

What he’s talking about sounds like a mess. Single day voting on Election Day? What about people that are abroad, military or otherwise? People who can’t vote that day (medical procedure, etc). Then, having another election to decide again?! What if that one is in question? I don’t know shit about fuck when it comes to election law, but this doesn’t pass the sniff test at all.

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[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Can you imagine if this pinwheel were to actually hold an office? Whichever way the right wing wind blows, he's there.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago

He also put on full display his ignorance of how government works. Witch is OK since his followers are ignorant too.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Here’s what I would have said, we need single-day voting on Election Day. We need paper ballots, and we need government-issued ID matching the voter file.

It's like he doesn't know that older, more conservative Republicans actually love mail-in ballots and use it extensively.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ViVEk iS InCrEaSiNgLy CoMpElLinG

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[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t understand what he’s saying. What’s his speech got to do with the events on Jan 6? What would that speech have done during the events of the 6th? Somebody please help me understand.

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