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Donald Trump signed an executive order to challenge birthright citizenship, targeting children of undocumented immigrants born in the U.S.

The order argues against the 14th Amendment, which guarantees citizenship for those born on U.S. soil.

It bars federal agencies from recognizing birthright citizenship and imposes a 30-day waiting period for enforcement.

The order is expected to face significant legal challenges, with critics calling it unconstitutional.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

Republicans opposing elements of the 14th amendment after decades of claiming to love the constitution. Not surprising.

But yeah, we have birthright citizenship in the 14th amendment for a reason. Even if we were the only country to have it, where it's found would explain why.

Instead let's fix the other things we're the only country with like our antiquated system of measurement or our health care system

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 35 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

“It’s ridiculous, we’re the only country in the world that does this with birthright, as you know, and it’s just absolutely ridiculous. We think we have really good grounds. People have wanted to do this for decades.”

Canada has birthright citizenship.

Trump is ignorant and Trump is stupid.

Congratulations, America, you elected a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, serial sexual assaulter and harasser, serial adulterer, serial fraudster, pathological liar, lifelong con man, and wannabe dictator but more importantly you elected a fucking idiot.

[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

That and Trump made at least three different attempts (that we know of) to remain in office last time. Fake electors, find those Georgia votes, and an actual attack on the Capitol. The GOP and her voters then spent four years squawking about election security and fraud. Their jackass right wing media spent time revamping white replacement theory... so they have to on some level understand democracy and voting.

So what do the big on the rule of law real Americans do? They vote for the only candidate that tried to disenfranchise a whole shit ton of American voters. It is absolutely wild that so many domesticated standard Americans failed this very very basic test.

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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Love how he swore an oath to uphold the constitution then a few hours later signs and executive order that goes against it

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Just like he has one executive order for energy production and another to pause offshore wind farm leases

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 day ago (3 children)

just now realizing everything I have done in my life in trying to contribute less plastic and waste less is not even 0.00001% compared to the environmental damage these executive orders are going to do.

[–] ShadowWalker@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago

The "you are personally responsible for climate change" was always a scam. It is the big corporations that are responsible.

[–] Tire@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Take off your individualism hat and put on your collective hat. Group actions make a difference.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 7 points 23 hours ago

Both things can be true.
OP can be doing good.
And potus can be doing shit and running rough-shod over the working class

[–] __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee 6 points 23 hours ago

It's a lot easier to disappear a guy as a group

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[–] alphapuggle@programming.dev 84 points 1 day ago (5 children)
[–] nepenthes@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck, lots to unpack here.

Sooooo, that actually is his official portrait? I thought someone posted it as satire. At least he's not hiding that he's the villain.

"America we're back" is his slogan? That and the pic looks after school special.

The loading screen icon is the White House -- was it always? Because as a Canadian all it invokes in me is the memory of us burning it down.

Did the constitution page get remapped? Or is it gone, gone?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So I was just thinking they were being cheeky and posted a fake URL that would show an error from the Whitehouse website, but I Googled "whitehouse website constitution" and google has a link to their page on the constitution... It's gone.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 110 points 1 day ago (1 children)

with critics calling it unconstitutional.

You don't need to be a critic to call it unconstitutional. It is, as it contradicts an Amendment.

[–] GuitarSon2024@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This exactly. It is COMPLETELY unconstitutional in the very definition of the word.

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Can't wait for the Right to recognize that if they normalize nullifying constitutional amendments with executive orders, the next Democrat president can just use that to nullify the 2nd Amendment that they're so terribly fond of.

Of course that assumes there will be another election some day.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

that assumes that the Dems will actually do literally anything at all.

[–] phughes@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (9 children)

next Democrat president

LOL. Fascism is here. There will never be another Democrat president.

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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Democrat president can just use that to nullify the 2nd Amendment

Can, but won't, because that would be "going low" and "we aren't like them"

You know, like cowardly dipshits

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I noticed a trend with Trump's executive order spree yesterday - almost all of them are just fluff or red meat for the base that don't have any effect on anything, like the one defining genders, and others are so blatantly unconstitutional that they will be challenged and most likely never implemented, like the one in question terminating birthright citizenship - it's guaranteed to go before the courts and get struck down. Doing something like that would require an constitutional amendment.

He's counting on the goldfish brain base to give him credit for doing these wacky things and then not pay attention three weeks from now when an ACLU lawsuit essentially puts the order in limbo before it dies in front of a judge.

Trump might as well sign an executive order that declares himself Emperor of the Moon and Supreme Chancellor of Outer Space, it'll have about the same amount of impact as this first round of executive orders will.

[–] __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee 9 points 23 hours ago

There are no longer checks nor balances.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it’s guaranteed to go before the courts and get struck down. Doing something like that would require an constitutional amendment.

lolwut?

With this SCOTUS, they will pluck the case out of the line, before it goes down any circuit, and they will issue a ruling declaring it constitutional.

That's what happens when you have a bought-and-paid-for SCOTUS.

[–] ECB@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

They'll probably strike down one or two of them just so they can claim "look, we're still independent!!"

Of course the ones to get struck down have already been agreed upon

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago (9 children)

t’s guaranteed to go before the courts and get struck down

If only trump controlled the highest court in all the land. A "supreme" court, if you will.

That said, trump and his allies have been pretty open that the idea is to spam EOs to demoralize people and distract them from what they are really doing. And, in this case, Legal Eagle (and Liz Dye) kind of already explained it:

The idea will be to declare a border crisis (done) to give the potus wider reaching powers. Same with declaring Mexican cartels as terrorists (they kind of are, but not to us). The combination of those mean they can invade sanctuary cities under "national security" excuses and can argue that illegal immigrants are enemy combatants which DO have a carve out.

The "quirk" of Kamala no longer being a citizen because her parents were here under student (?) visas MIGHT get struck down. But the real goal of populating labor camps with brown people is right on track.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trump might as well sign an executive order that declares himself Emperor of the Moon and Supreme Chancellor of Outer Space, it’ll have about the same amount of impact as this first round of executive orders will.

Look, not to call you out or anything, but the impact of these edicts (however nonsensical) is radically different now that he's in office.

The problem isn't the legitimacy or legality of any such order, it's the veracity and scope to which they are carried out regardless of those facts. He just pardoned the Jan 6th insurrectionists. Now, people that are handed off-the-wall, yet much more clear, orders from the White House can now go on thinking that illegal activity pursued in the name of said order will be washed away. So, stuff like this will cause damage to be done well before any courts can intervene, constitutionality be damned.

As a bonus, this adds culpability to the actions of his subordinates. Step in line or lose your job. Fail me after committing a crime and you go straight to prison. This is an organized crime tactic to keep shady people in line.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (11 children)

How does this work? Aren't most people citizens because of birthright citizenship?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago

My ancestors certainly didn't do the proper paperwork before landing here.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Yes if you aren't Native American, your family probably gained citizenship through birthright.

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 298 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Fourteenth Amendment Section 1 All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I don't get how you square those two together.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

SCOTUS: well you see here, I can’t seem to find my reading glasses between these stacks of cash… ah yes here they are, it’s legal because we say so.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Teknevra@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Deport Elon

argues against the 14th Amendment

critics calling it unconstitutional

Uuuuh yeaaah, no shit...

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I never ever ever want to hear anymore excuses from democrats about "oh, but we did kinda do the one thing. Governance is hard, and we just couldn't get 100% of Congress to agree. The republicans bullied us until we came and we're all out of gas :("

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