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Republicans on the House Small Business Committee pressed Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm on Thursday for answers on proposed energy-efficiency standards for ceiling fans.

The proposed standards were first published in the Federal Register in June, and the comment period closed earlier this week. According to the Energy Department, the rule as applied to standard residential ceiling fans would cut fan-related electricity costs by about 40 percent relative to the least efficient fans currently available.

The House panel presented the rules as burdensome to ceiling fan manufacturers, particularly smaller ones.

“This proposed rule would decrease the maximum estimated energy consumption permissible for large diameter and belt driven ceiling fans,” committee Republicans wrote. “This rule would require numerous small business fan manufacturers to redesign their products and may put between 10 and 30 percent of small business ceiling fan manufacturers out of business. It appears that the Department of Energy may not have properly considered small entities during this rulemaking process.”

An Energy Department spokesperson told The Hill this aspect has been mischaracterized, saying in an email that the one-time total conversion cost would be about $107 million for all manufacturers.

“The incremental cost to consumers is $86.6 million annually, while the operating cost savings are $281 million annually — both at a 7 percent discount rate,” the spokesperson said. “The savings are more than triple the incremental costs.”

The spokesperson noted the standards, “which are required by Congress,” would not be in effect for five years and would save Americans “up to $369 million per year, while substantially reducing harmful air pollution — a crucial fact that some have conveniently failed to mention.”

Efficiency standards for home appliances have become culture war flashpoints under the Biden administration. The administration has restored a number of efficiency rules rolled back under the Trump administration, including for shower heads, water heaters and gas furnaces.

The most umbrage, however, has been reserved for efficiency regulations over gas stoves, beginning last year when Consumer Product Safety Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. approved a request for information on hazards associated with the devices, which the CPSC formalized in March. Although Trumka has said there are no plans to ban gas stoves, House Republicans have introduced formal legislation this year to legally prevent such a ban.

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 115 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Now they’re triggered by ceiling fans. You can’t make this shit up

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 60 points 1 year ago

Republicans have absolutely destroyed the satire industry.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

"hahaha, fan beats man!"

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[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 83 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The new standard is based on cubic feet of air moved per minute per watt. It's honestly pretty thoughtful in its implementation. I was expecting to see it was just some watt cap on products, but that's not what it is at all; you can still make very powerful fans, they just need to actually be moving meaningful amounts of air.

The main people hurt by a rule change like this will be import brand piece of shit fans that don't blow air and prey on vulnerable consumers. I doubt there is even one single US firm that will be negatively affected by this rule change because the cost of US manufacturing is WAY too high to be selling these dollar store fan products.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2023-06/ceiling-fans-ecs-nopr.pdf

[–] ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would like them to be required to prominently display their power consumption. I feel like every other household appliance I own makes their energy consumption fairly clear, but I have no idea what kind of energy my fans use. Like it's probably more efficient to turn on every fan in my house all day rather than turn on my AC, but I have no idea if that's true.

[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can confirm, was shopping for ceiling fans and finding the cfm per power on different power levels was a pain in the arse.

Should be part of Energy Star like other appliances.

As it was I had to search for DC and/or ECM motor fans and go from there.

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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a good way to make sure fan manufacturers aren't putting misleading labels on their fans. Like "Powerful 800W FAN" on the front in big letters but a low CFM rating on a label on the back, if at all.

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[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago (28 children)

Crocodile tears. Republicans don’t care about small businesses. This is just a “Democrats want this? Gotta fight it!” moment, because they have no actual platform.

[–] StarServal@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They’re contrarians. They don’t stand for anything except the opposite of the Democrats.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s the most baffling thing to me when I see so many grown ass adults buying into these cults of personality. Like…what the fuck does your candidate propose to actually do? Just screaming and throwing tantrums like a toddler, and that’s the guy you cast your vote for? I don’t get it

[–] salton@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago

Their campaigns are always based on fear and hate of some imagined group or perceived enemy.a lot of these people have also been trained by birth by religious groups to conform to the tribe and to have blind obedience to their leaders.

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[–] FrickAndMortar@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They’ll clutch at anything they think they might be able to use to piss off their constituents, won’t they?

“They’re coming for you gas stoves, citizen! Where will it end? What will you cook food for your family on?! Pic up a ‘don’t step on the gas’ ballcap for only $49.99, and go get ‘em!”

[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember people hording incandescent light bulbs when those were restricted?

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At this point I can't even fathom wanting an incandescent bulb.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember when some of the first LED bulbs hit the market, I replaced every bulb in my room (still living at home at my parents' house) and never looked back.

Back then it cost like $20 a bulb, didn't care.

The lights in my ceiling fan had a tendency to burn out frequently, never could identify a reason why after plenty of troubleshooting, but it incandescent bulbs did not like that fan.

Pretty sure those same bulbs are still in there like 15 years later.

Also my room was always the hottest in the house, and I was willing to try anything to shave off a couple of degrees. I never stuck a thermometer in there to measure it, so it could have been a placebo effect, but it certainly seemed like it maybe knocked a degree or two off the temperature to me.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is this actually a concern? Having legislation rolled out to force new and better technology to reach the market, thus causing systemic savings of energy and money?

The way it's written it's as if the consumer is forced to go get a new ceiling fan or gas stove the moment the new ones land in the market.

And if some small manufacturers go bust, that means room for others to appear.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

It’s either this or they actually work on actual policy

So yeah, this is a concern for those fascists

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 25 points 1 year ago

It's always supposedly about protecting the little guy, the small business person. While also, just coincidentally mind you, also protecting mega corporations that bankroll the GOP.

[–] Bendavisunlv6@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

small business fan manufacturers

Is this really a thing? Small businesses that manufacture fans?

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There are niche manufacturers in many industries. I wouldn’t be surprised. Particularly for super high-end residential products.

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[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

With how the rule is written, I would be shocked if anything other than bargain basement import brands were affected.

[–] hamster@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

No, it's just that republicans hate democrats.

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[–] div@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Funny how Conservatives get so upset about conserving resources.

[–] SpunkyBarnes@geddit.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The roster of Republicans who signed the letter:

The House committee’s letter was signed by Chairman Rep. Roger Williams (R-Texas), as well as Reps. Beth Van Duyne (R-Texas), Maria Elvira Salazar (R-Fla.), Aaron Bean (R-Fla.) and Jake Ellzey (R-Texas).

FL & TX ffs.

[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile ERCOT is asking people in Texas to conserve power damn near daily at this point.

[–] meat_popsicle@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republicans don’t care if you can’t use your fans, they only care that you keep buying them.

We are only consumers to feed corporate profits in their equations.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They're all made in China/Philippines. Even the US brands like Vornado and Dyson.

Republicans want to export dollars to East Asia.

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Maria Elvira Salazar

Mfing Harry Potter villain name how could anyone expect any different?

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