Keeping in mind a terrotist charge should be something like 911. Not killing one man.
Remember what happened to oyher shooters that attacked the public.
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Keeping in mind a terrotist charge should be something like 911. Not killing one man.
Remember what happened to oyher shooters that attacked the public.
Remember how Rapist Brock Turner raped a girl, there were two witnesses, and the judge "didn't want to ruin an athletes life?"
It's fucking dystopic how our legal system picks and chooses who to apply the law to. Rape a not wealthy person? Get out of jail free. Kill an inarguably evil CEO? Terrorist! get the death penalty.
I personally feel more terrorized by rapists like Brock Turner being free in the world than by Luigi's actions.
Highly unusual is an understatement. It's either cruel and unusual punishment, or it's double jeopardy. He's being tried twice for the same crime.
I support him, but you can be tried at the state and federal level for the same crime. You can’t be charged twice for the same crime at the same level.
They made it easy for him to plead not guilty, given all the charges they were trying to topple on top of him.
The way they so desperately want to make an example out of him is going to give Luigi's lawyer plenty of ammo.
Making it a terrorism charge significantly raises the bar to get a guilty verdict even if Luigi admits to the killing.
Trying for the death penalty I think requires every member of the jury to agree on a guilty verdict instead of a majority (IANAL)
And every time they do this shit it just highlights the injustice between the classes because of course people are going to compare it to the treatment of mass shooters:
A dozen police officers to escort him vs 2 for a serial killer.
Terrorism charges and risk of the death penalty
Super special emergency line for CEOs because 911 isn't good enough for them.
Maybe a couple more assassinations of CEOs and the only country where this repeatedly happens will finally start looking into ways to prevent this.
Maybe a couple more assassinations of CEOs and the only country where this repeatedly happens will finally start looking into ways to prevent this.
Yeah by hiring private armies and getting special provision to hire police directly.
RoboCop here we come
It's pretty standard to charge with the most serious things they can and potentially drop/lower the charges before trial. Maybe theyre trying to get a plea deal or disposition and avoid the trial - 'we'll drop terrorism and the death penalty if you plead to first degree murder and life without' or something like that
Or at least they have his legal team spending time knocking down the more superfluous charges instead of dealing with the meat of it all
Obviously I don't know enough about the situation here to know exactly what's up, but yeah
The prosecution needs to prove their charges, the defence only needs to knock down the evidence presented. Superfluous charges waste the time of the prosecution.
If they're truly superfluous then they waste the time of both sides, but it's the prosecution who get to decide whether or not to include a charge. The prosecution might not be holding out real hope of a conviction on the highest charges, but by including them they could include additional witnesses and evidence that will be heard by a jury and change their perception even on the more realistic charges, which the defense would have to react to.
Again, all hypothetical. For all I know theyre confident in the terrorism charge
But realistically criminal trials are a negotiation, and most of the work happens outside the courtroom
Even if the politics doesn't change, enough CEOs getting cast into Hell sure might do the trick. People say that it won't change how companies operate, but I disagree. First, changing CEOs isn't easy for a company. The sudden loss of one is disruptive, and it means they can't implement whatever plans they had for the company. A company with repeated CEO murders is one that will be thrown into chaos. Second, regardless of what shareholders might want, CEOs have to consider their own interests. Even a $10 million salary doesn't mean much if you're dead before you can enjoy it.
Third: the next day people were getting approved for procedures they were being denied the day before. This was across all insurance companies. It literally changed how these companies operate (at least in the short term) and likely saved lives.
Source? The next day seems way too fast to take effect. It's not like this guy was sending emails directly saying "deny all claims today" even if he is a driving factor for it.
The share value of UHC fell hard after the murder. That is the thing that really makes waves. As you say, losing CEO is costly, to investors and owners, which in the end is what matters most to the owner classes.
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I'm pretty sure most (if not all) juries have to be unanimous to reach a verdict of any kind.
For criminal cases yes it has to be unanimous. They might have heard about civil cases sometimes allowing majority/supermajority vote verdicts (allowed in more than half the states).
Maybe a couple more assassinations of CEOs and the only country where this repeatedly happens will finally start looking into ways to prevent this.
Billionaires. The CEOs are still lapdogs. We must make the "invincible dragons" realize that they are vulnerable.
It will take the assassination of a few billionaires for this country to change those laws.
Super special emergency line for CEOs because 911 isn't good enough for them.
Is this a thing?
Which is ridiculous and more intended as a warning to the public given that the establishments that provide their bodyguards already have these sort of "hotlines" into law enforcement. They are just that afraid.
I've never seen the government work so fast as they are with this guy. There's people in jail that have been waiting months for a trial.
Fucking trump and his followers staged a fucking insurrection and it took four years and the charges essentially thrown out when he won this election. They want this guy memory holed ASAP because he has genuine public support and the elites are terrified we vastly outnumber them and we’re well armed. Trump likes to say he can shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and get away with it, and figuratively so far he has. Let’s see what Luigi can get away with. The trumped up charges are in his favor IMO. Too high of a standard to meet.
Should have been running for president during his crimes.
Arraignments are generally rather quick. Even for low profile crimes, they will normally arraign a defendant within a week of arrest or charges being filed. They really try to do it much faster with misdemeanors, normally the next business day. Arraignments are quick and easy, trials take years if the defendant doesn't take the plea deal.
An arraignment is literally a statement of the charges against the defendant. The defendant then pleads guilty or not guilty.
If they enter a guilty plea, then sentencing will normally occur immediately based on the plea bargain offered by the prosecution, or rather quickly, if no plea bargain was offered.
If they enter a not guilty plea, the prosecution sets up a date for a trial, and generally offers a plea bargain that may involve any number of incentives. 95% of cases take the plea bargain.
If it finally gets to trial, that can be years later because of the sheer overload of the system, though high noteriety cases like this one, and the OJ trial, tend to move a bit faster.
terrorist murder
If anything, this further shows we are living in two tiered justice system
If anything, Luigi murdered a terrorist.
A terrorist is someone who enacts violence against civilians in order to create political change. Not saying Luigi deserves any of this, but if his goal was to make a point to the world about the mistreatment of patients at the hands of insurance companies in order to push change, then the terrorism charge is accurate.
What insurance companies do is far worse than terrorism. They harvest the sick, elderly, and injured for their money in order to sate the capitalist urge to increase revenue for the investors. But that isn't illegal.
It's a straight up cyberpunk dystopia. Corporations run the world, they provide all the means of being able to survive, and disagreement with it is a crime.
They don't even care about the people inside the corporations themselves, because they're replaceable. It's all functioning to generate wealth for the owners of society.
Fuck, the reason I both loved and hated Cyberpunk: Edgerunners is because it was too real at the beginning.
Naw, the health insurance CEO (I refuse to call it healthcare, because it isn't that) didn't kill people as a political act. He only did it to line his wallet.
So he's a mercenary
No, just a dacoit.
Mercenaries are paid to kill. This one just kills and loots.
Kinda like what the GTA guy does.
Yes that exactly what the professional executive class are, mercenaries for capital (though it cant be mixed up with them also being owners as well as just ridiculously paid frontmen).
In Ye Olden days, there used to be formally separated court systems, one for nobility and one for commoners. Turns out, they just got a lot better at hiding this system.
Terrorist charges?
Rich people justice.
Literally standard procedure for a criminal trial. I absolutely hate it.
It's predicated on "never admit guilt, so we can wheel and deal in backrooms to make a plea deal." They say plea deals are to keep courts from being packed and backed up, but it's more about punishing the poorest who have no money to fight when they're innocent.
Almost everyone always starts with a plea of Not Guilty. No matter how fuckin guilty they are or not. You could be the guiltiest motherfucker on the planet, and you'll still have your lawyer tell you to plea Not Guilty.
The point in this one is to convince a jury that he's not guilty of the exact charges. His lawyers will surely go the "not terrorism" route, but unfortunately he has other charges. I think the legal term is "stacking"?
Yep, they're hitting him with media-generating charges like first degree murder and terrorism, but probably can only make the second degree murder actually stick. That way they can drop the worst charges and still hit him with second degree.
Lmao, I defended myself against a bully in school and the pigs didn't even do any investigation and took the school admin's word for it and arrested me for "Agravated Assault"
They then did a "diversion" that basically I have to promise not to commit a crime for 6 months (like bitch, do I look like a fucking criminal to you?) and then case would be dismissed, and crucially, it did not include an admission of guilt, so I took it. But if it had included an admission of guilt, I'd fucking fight that shit to the end. Pull the CCTV, motherfuckers, see if that's enough evidence.
Also, I learned that (via internet searches) if you are under 18, you do not get a right jury trial, but it also simultaneously can potentially have the same impact as an adult conviction. That's was the most bullshit thing I've learned.
Oh wanna know some more bullshit I learned? USCIS can see all juvenile records for the past 5 years, even arrests that didn't result in conviction (or technically, for juveniles, it's called being "adjundicated delinquent"), even if sealed, expunged, or even pardoned, which could come into play if you aren't a citizen (which, thank god figuatively, that I had derived citizenship from my mother's naturalization, imagine the shitshow on the other, even shittier timeline).
(Also, USCIS can see ALL adult records, even arrests that didn't result in conviction, doesn't matter if sealed, expunged, or pardoned. They see it all. Fucking bullshit.)
I did not really had ACAB sentinments before, but now I've been radicalized by the police and I'll fucking say ACAB, and now I'm very sympathetic towards anarchist movements.
I think the failure of the phrase ACAB is that it pins the problems of the system just on cops. Corrupt lawmakers, judges, district attorneys, prosecutors, and defenders all play into this as well. Lawmakers made the laws defer to cops over citizens, judges treat a cops word as more truthful than a citizens, same with district attorneys and prosecuting attorneys. They're all scratching each others back in a sick system where nearly all of them are essentially above the law. Cops are enabled by all the other groups.
Great, his innocent. Now let's give him back his gun and let him go. Somewhere near Elon Musk, maybe?
Mad that the grand jury didn't refuse to indict.
Hope the jury nullifies.
If he is found guilty, maybe it'll be time for unrest.
It's already time for unrest.
Looks like it's been time for unrest for over fifty years now, since this kicked off in the early 70's.
It shouldn't have taken a murder to wake people up.