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For the record, I’m not American nor live in the US, but I have a 19-year-old son who started attending the University of Chicago this year, studying economics. Just the tuition itself is $70k. My husband and I are lucky enough to be able to afford it - I still believe it’s an outrageous amount of money to attend college.

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[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 15 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Because people are still paying it. That's how you set the price of things. If people are paying 70k why would you sell it cheaper?

[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 7 points 1 hour ago

If you can charge for something mandatory (minimum requirement for a decent job, house, healthcare) then you can set whatever price you want for it. You just need to push it to the limit of what people can finance to keep paying for over their whole lives.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 89 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

because america is the land of profit over humans. its just that simple.

its ingrained in the entire country. if some rando at the top isnt profiting, it must be killed. its the problem with healthcare. its the problem with government (congress). its the reason we are entrenched in a 2-party hellscape.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 3 hours ago

And if the university of Chicago is that "Chicago school of economics" then this kid is going to come out the other end repesting close to what you said, but as a positive. :(

[–] astanix@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Is that just America though? Are there other countries where profit isn't king?

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 16 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I’m pretty confident the French wouldn’t stand for “rule by profit”

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 1 points 28 minutes ago

I'm afraid I don't have good news...

not that im aware of.

america was founded on this crazy idea of 'rugged individualism'. that 'socialism' is inherently evil. its every man for themselves, and anyone not rich is so because they arent doing it correctly.

its also the reason why even a class full of dead kindergartners is ok as long as we get to keep our guns.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 43 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (5 children)

Because Reagan defunded public secondary education. And then instead of fixing that in the late 90s/early 00s, they made school loans non expungable and federally guaranteed, so schools didn't need to keep their prices low and competitive anymore.

It always goes back to Reagan...

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

This is the real answer I was looking for in the comments.

Edit: it always goes back to Reagan.

Why did unions lose their power? Reagan threatened striking ATC workers with firing if they didn't return to work immediately. Suddenly striking workers could be fired.

Why did weed become a life sentence drug? Reagan.

Who demonized the poor on welfare, calling them welfare queens? Who is Ronald Reagan, Alex?

Deregulated Wall street, banking and commerce sector, too.

If there's a glaring problem with the USA, there's a very good chance it dates back to RR.

[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 hours ago

Jesus Christ, so many people don't know the real history of what happened while this is the real answer.

To add on to Ronald "Fucking" Reagan defunding universities, he did it because as governor of California he absolutely hated the anti-Vietnam War protests happening on University of California campuses and thought a good way to limit attendance of 'rabble rousing' (re: poor) students was to take away their funding. Conservatives nationwide saw this and thought 'that's great, we should do that, too.' and they did.

Thanks Ronnie. You're the unwanted microwaved dog shit that ruined America 40 years and your stink is still smelled in full force to this day. I didn't believe in hell, but I hope they made a special one just for you.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yep, this needs to be higher. Since student loans are guaranteed and pushed on all students, universities have been spending oodles of fucking money to justify higher tuition costs, which justifies bigger loans that can never be discharged. The banks win, the schools win, the student lose both academically and financially.

Public universities could actually have stricter requirements on who could go to college, because if it's already funded by taxes, you don't want to be throwing money away on students who will fail out of the degree path they're trying to pursue.

Finally, two words: "Legacy Admissions"

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sure, I guess post-secondary is the term usually used

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

I just wasn't sure if reagan did anything with HS budgets and how that connected with college prices. That guy was such a cancer on the country. Maybe we should just stop electing shitty actors altogether

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 3 hours ago

While true overall, University of Chicago is an elite private school with a hedge fund sized endowment with vast majority of students coming from families who pay 70k with two checks two weeks before each semester starts.

This how they stay elite.

[–] ReadMoreBooks@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

If we can reason and communicate effectively then we're much harder to exploit.

Education is priced above the balance of supply and demand because in wider scope it's more profitable to deny access.

Denial of access to education is a very good way to leave many people with violence as their only practical means of change.

[–] KRAW@linux.community 5 points 2 hours ago

Administrative bloat. At my university, if my lab lands a grant, 60% goes to the university and only 40% is used for actual research. There's a long chain of people whose jobs are to answer emails, and they all need to be paid.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

US universities engage in price discrimination between different students.

For public schools, there is different tuition between in state and out of state students. There are also some state government programs based on merit and financial considerations.

For well endowed private schools, the universities will provide scholarships based on a variety of reasons. For students from rich families, those families are generally paying full price and there generally is the implication of additional donations.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

This is the reason. Every public school, like University of Chicago, has non-resident pricing that's typically two to four times higher than in-state resident tuition. Source: used to work at a state university.

The original idea was probably to encourage people to stay within their state and boost the state economy, but greed from the admins kinda changed the nature of things.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Given that state taxes heavily support higher education, it’s not the craziest idea in the world to give lower tuition to those who’ve been paying those taxes their whole lives.

[–] TuEstUnePommeDeTerre@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The University of Chicago is private. The University of Illinois Chicago is public. They have the added issue the people definitely use the names interchangeably because they don't know there's more than one.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 2 hours ago

When I worked at the state University, we had lists to check that stuff. Sometimes it's obvious, other times, not so much. Good catch!

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Greed. Come on were you really expecting a different response?

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 hours ago

Tuition is also higher for international students.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (5 children)

The politicians of the US took massive payouts from the banking industry in exchange for commodifying anything and everything that people need. Back in ~~2008~~ 2005, Biden himself took a $250,000 bribe from MBNA to make it illegal to escape student loans even in bankruptcy.

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[–] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 2 hours ago

Nobody knows. Serious, there are a lot of factors people will point to in here. Some of them are real factors, but every time I dig in I discovered that they do not explain everything. Prices have gone up much faster than inflation for decades even after accounting for government subsidies.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

A lot of folks are overlooking one of the largest factors, unlimited student loans for whatever.

As long as people have access to an ever increasing amount of money to use for tuition, it is in those institutions' interests to rise their prices to extract as much as possible.

Whereas other countries tend to subsidize their education at source, that is to say, by funding the schools directly which somehwat obviates the price gouging aspect.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Depends on the school but yes it's ridiculous. For a while it seemed like everyone was encouraged to attend college but now it seems like trade schools are coming back in a big way. I think people realise they aren't going to get anything useful for the time and money they put in for the jobs they want

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Because it's worth it!

lol jk

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Student loans have dulled price-point as a major consideration for choosing a school. So they compete on other non-academic stuff that tends to raise the tuition like sports, amenities, and prestige.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

I'm sure it's not the sole factor, but universities in many other parts of the world are partially subsidised by the government.

[–] 18december@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, in our country university is free if you get high enough grades in the end of high school exams and then if you maintain high enough grades throughout university. Even if you don’t the tuition is affordable for virtually everybody. Like the equivalent of ~$1k per year for most degrees with some exceptions like medicine. A kid could make that in a month working a summer job.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Then why didn't you send your kid to school in your country? Americans do not pay $70k for undergrad tuition unless it's a very expensive study.

(E: the OP corrected me below that theyre not from the Great North. Ill still leave this next part up to demonstrate that universities charge a lot more for international students than domestic but I acknowledge that I jumped the gun here)

The fact that you use the $ symbol, have socialized college tuition, and are not from the US makes me think you're Canadian. I did the reverse of your situation and used this tuition fee lookup tool from UToronto to see what I would be paying for a year of medical school. Came out to a little under $46k/ for the 2025-26 school year.

[–] 18december@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

Cause the quality is not the best, he wanted to go to the US, and we can afford it. Plus the US offers many more opportunities.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

its the opposite of that.

its that the unsecured 'loans' provided to ignorant kids for schooling are immune to be disgorged by bankruptcy. so they are abused by agencies providing the loans, and the schools who know those loans are forever financed.

its taking advantage of children, basically. but its a-ok, because profit.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Not really the opposite. We used to subsidize higher education. The non expungable debt was part of the "fix" for that issue that Reagan caused

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

We didn't used to fund to the tune of $70k per student though. Something just isn't adding up, but I have no idea what.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

It's an older chart but I have no reason not to think the trend it shows has reversed since 2012. Colleges pivoted really hard in the past 30 years to offering a lot more than just classes and a dorm to attract students. Non-teaching positions have more than doubled since than 70s to handle all the "bloat and bullshit" (one of my professor's terms, a real old-school guy who hated modern academia) that that's come along since.

Throw in the fact that federally secured loans means that almost any 18 year old can sign off on whatever the sticker price without much thought and you get those kinds of costs for some students

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Bloated administration took advantage of the guaranteed federal money that was the idiotic fix for exploding college prices after the public funding stopped. Which only made prices increase more

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Agreed. The only two options right now are to either do away with federally secured loans (worse option) or nationalize all universities with efficiency overwatch programs in place (better), but what we have right now is the worst of both worlds w/r/t public-private higher education

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[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Honestly? Because stupid people like you keep paying it. Sounds nasty, but you are paying it, and that's fucking stupid.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Higher Ed is just another broken cog in the American machine. I'm lucky to live in a state that recently made Community College free for state residents that don't already have a college degree.

I'm seriously considering finding a nursing program. I've already been in the medical field for 38 years.

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