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S.F. tech founder says 84-hour workweek approach is ‘because I’m San Franciscan’ (www.sfchronicle.com)

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[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 80 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Software engineers at the company can expect to make $120,000 to $200,000 per year, according to job postings on Greptile’s website.

So that's the equivalent of 60k-100k at a job where you can work normal hours. I could see this maybe if he was paying more than twice the market rate for more than twice the normal amount of work, but he's not. Not even close.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 45 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Thats below market for a 40hr week in San Francisco for a software dev. From levels.fyi, which allows people to confirm their employment anonymously:

The average Software Engineer salary range in San Francisco Bay Area, CA is from $195,000 to $350,000. Last updated: 12/3/2024

Town is wildly overpriced, and hes paying about 1/4th what he should be for 84 hrs/week.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

And people wonder why I don't move to work at these big tech hubs. I have lots of tech jobs in my area and most of them expect normal hours. As it turns out, I rarely work more than 40 hours, and most weeks I'm around 35.

[–] jonathan@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This isn't the only guy hiring in SF. By and large the pay seems really good for below average effort.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cost of living is insane though, and there's way too much traffic for my liking, which would really impact my quality of life.

I make around what the OP is talking about, work less than half as much, and my COL is way lower. I'll just travel to CA if I feel like it, but I'm not interested in moving.

[–] jonathan@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a larger equation, and it sounds like it totally makes sense for you. I've been working remote to SF for 15 years and made the same choice you did. That experience has also let me see that the comp to effort ratio there is very very good.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don’t take this idiot’s little company as the norm for the area. San Francisco scene is pretty chill.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's good to know.

I figure I could probably find a good fit over there, but I honestly don't like the area that much (mostly traffic and costs of things). Other people may not be as bothered by that though, so it could be a good fit.

There are good and bad employers everywhere.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I used to take the BART train to work In SF so traffic wasn’t a concern. Now I don’t commute at all!

But I’m not trying to convince you to move here. Please don’t!

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Its also San Fran, where you'll lose all that money on COL.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you get FAANG-tier money in SF, you don't lose it all to CoL. You definitely make it out ahead.

[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, but $120k is definitely not FAANG-tier base comp in SF. Not even close. Maybe it’s on the low side of scrappy startup/scaleup comp.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Agreed, if you're going to be taking home 120k you're not going to get out ahead in SF.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s important to recognize that this is a tiny little company.

Around noon, Gupta usually picks up lunch for the team at nearby MIXT Salads. The workers usually eat together at a table in the office.

The founder can pick up lunch for everyone. So we’re talking what, 8 people?

There are 8 people out there who have nothing in their lives except for work and want their job to feel like a life. They get some kind of thrill from the intensity and they have probably been sold a dream about what their stock options will be worth when the company makes it big on the AI boom. They’re young, single, socially orthogonal people and their home lives were probably desolate and depressing before they took this job. The job gives them a place they can always go and find other people, where they have something to do. I’m not excusing the horrible WLB but I can easily imagine a small number of people who go for this. We just have to remember how miserable much of humanity are.

We don’t have to generalize about capitalism, San Francisco, tech, or anything else from this guy. Not that you were but others ITT certainly are.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

84 fucking hours. If I worked 12 hours a day, every day, I wouldn't hit 84 hours unless I literally never had a single day off! That dude can eat my entire ass...

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 6 points 3 weeks ago

recently i started telling candidates right in the first interview that greptile offers no work-life-balance, typical workdays start at 9am and end at 11pm, often later, and we work saturdays, sometimes also sundays. i emphasize the environment is high stress, and there is no tolerance for poor work.

The fact that he ever gets through that interview without the candidate laughing themself right out of his office is just baffling.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Pretty sure it's cause he's a privileged man baby who's "job" is going to luxurious lunches, etc.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 46 points 3 weeks ago

So he's proud to be a slaver.

May he drop dead of a heart attack at age 25, alone, umloved, and unmourned.

[–] cestvrai@lemm.ee 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck that, I’m happy with my 32-hr workweek. Wouldn’t even want to do 40 again…

Dev in Europe with a comfortable life.

[–] jdeath@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

that is my dream. dev in usa working way too much

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 32 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

It is proven that is more cost efficient to let your workers not work more than 40 hours but instead use two people

Work done per hour goes way up, if work hour per week is low

Meaning in the end you pay less for the same work and get it faster

Stupid CEO…

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[–] nihilvain@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 28 points 3 weeks ago

Sweatshop, it's called a sweatshop. You can dress it up however you want, at the end of the day, it's still a sweatshop ran by Mr Gupta, who probably thinks reading LinkedIn on your couch counts as working...

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's only ~17 hours a day if you take a weekend, or a breezy 12 hour day if you choose not to take off.

I wish we could make these assholes work the shifts they want to make others work.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 points 3 weeks ago

"Work" for them is remotely checking on things every now and then, send some emails, maybe a meeting or 2... He's not actually working 84 hours every week.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 weeks ago

He can San Fransuck on deez nuts!

[–] weirdboy@lemm.ee 22 points 3 weeks ago

This guy is the poster child for LinkedInLunatics

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And when the company folds in 16 months you'll have achieved nothing...

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

They'll just blame it on Biden or "communist liberal regulations" and learn nothing.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

I've worked 84+ hour weeks for extended periods and they are rough. On the body and on the mind. Your social life also suffers. People really shouldn't work like that.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Slavery is where such a work contract isn't outright illegal.

[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck that guy

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Plebs still larping these parasites's fairy tales of hard labour🤡

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