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[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 11 points 1 day ago

Me 6 months ago: "Well at least inflation isn't as bad as it was in the Weimar Republic...." Me now: "uh oh"

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If a trading bloc abandons the USD, that means they are less interested in trading with the US. Slapping a tariff in them means that they will be even less interested.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If a trading bloc abandons the USD, that means they are less interested in trading with the US.

Not really. It could mean that they just want a just and fair trading system not ruled by a monopoly on green paper with slavers on it.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Are you seriously saying that the capitalists from BRICS countries are interested in justice, fairness, and cancelling slave owners as opposed to their own economic self interest while jostling for position with western capitalists about who should be higher in the pecking order of exploiting the global working class? Because if you're serious about that, I would love to trade you some magic beans for your cow.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 73 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The bizarre Republican project of burning America to the ground, because they love it so gosh darn much, continues apace.

For those with enough wealth, it's a win-win. Either the dollar stays strong and you continue to trade assets/stocks/bonds accordingly, or it craters and you invest in cost-competitive labor on par with India and China.

In the latter case, while foreign goods are priced out of reach, a booming manufacturing sector will come in and "save the day" in states with poor worker protections/rights. The real magic trick is making sure you (the 1%) are in the room when the decisions are made to hold or fold before the general public knows anything about it.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

They falsely assume everyone else loves and covets it as much as they do.

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[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Tariffs will further devalue the dollar.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 163 points 3 days ago

Can you even imagine how happy putin is with his bitch?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 90 points 3 days ago (15 children)

So trump is going to start a trade war with the entire world now?

What is the next word after "great" when talking about economic depressions?

Stupendous, I believe

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Depression bigly

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Epic, grand, massive, fucked ?

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[–] EndOfLine@lemm.ee 131 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I am starting to think about that Trump just learned what a tariff is during this election cycle. Still has no idea how they work, what their purpose is, when they should be used, nor how they impact local and global economies but, gosh darn it, if he isn't excited to show off his new knowledge.

Maybe if they have him write out the word "TARRIF" on a piece of paper and put that paper on the white house fridge, he can be proud of it everyday and be able to move on to his next vocabulary word.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 65 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember, when he uses the "nobody knew this" that actually means he didn't know it. And he says it a lot.

[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Because in his mind

He is the only person with any value

Everyone else is a lamb to the slaughter unless he finds them useful.

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 day ago

https://youtu.be/gK6MD_8S01o

Check out from 9:50, Trump has been talking about tariffs since the 80's

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago

Relearned, maybe?

He was also really big on putting tariffs on everything out of China in the 2016 election cycle.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 97 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

It's like he's trying to kill the US dollar. Nobody who was actually trying to protect our currency would be making these moves.

It's not a shocker why all the cryptobros are behind him either, because that's their goal, too.

But I mean god damn it is really hard to exaggerate how stupid and easily manipulated Trump is.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago

Crypto Bros like him because they don't want to have to pay taxes or to stop scamming people

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No "like", he is. Russia and China want to devalue the dollar and replace it as the world currency.

Obviously Russia is unlikely to achieve that, but I'm sure China encourages the use of RMB in their global operations, like in their belt and road projects.

[–] djsp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Russia benefits from a stronger US dollar insofar as its oil and gas exports are settled in that currency. The more valuable the US dollar is (as measured against the ruble), the more rubles Russia's exports end up yielding — or the better they compete with other producers in international markets.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago
[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 61 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Why do I get the feeling Trump doesn't know that tariffs can go higher than 100%? Nobody tell him.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 days ago

I think in his head, 100% tariffs mean that other countries give the USA goods for free, or something like that.

No he's thrown 2000% tariffs around at least once in the last few months. Fortunately for all involved he seems to have stopped doing that and switched to something a tiny bit less stupid.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 19 points 2 days ago

Guys don't you see how much the economy will grow?

If it drops 50% it will be a 100% growth once it's back where it was. That's like stable genius!

/s

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago (48 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the world needs a neutral reserve currency, not one issued and controlled by whatever country happens to be the dominant superpower.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I feel like this doesn't solve much of the things you think it would.

Also, capitalists will never agree to this. They like having their own currencies cause they can manipulate them.

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Sounds like you want the gold standard back.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This either means the US economy will suffer .... or America will fight back violently to force others to follow their rules

Either way, someone, or everyone is going to suffer

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[–] rivenb@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don’t think the BRICS are interested in giving up on the dollar. Two of those countries have some of the biggest dollar reserves there are outside of the US.

I think they’re more interested in bilateral trades/payments using their own currencies.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

They absolutely are - the non-American aligned countries are afraid sanctions would prevent their ability to trade at all and want a better medium for exchanging goods. Everyone has seen the damage sanctions caused to Russia and are afraid of what might happen to themselves.

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