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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does anyone else feel like technology - specifically consumer tech - kinda peaked over a decade ago? I'm 37, and I remember being awed between like 2011 and 2014 with phones, voice assistants, smart home devices, and what websites were capable of. Now it seems like much of this stuff either hasn't improved all that much, or is straight up worse than it used to be. Am I crazy? Have I just been out of the market for this stuff for too long?

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 80 points 1 day ago (5 children)

There was a lot of pioneering in the 70's. The first home computers, the first video games, the first mobile phones, all right there in the late 70's. Most people ended the 70's living like they did in the 60's but now there's cool shit like the Speak n' Spell. The average American home in 1979 had no microwave oven, a landline telephone and a TV that might have even been color. There were some nerds who had TRS-80s, some of them even had a modem so they could 300 baud each other. Normies saw none of this.

There was a lot of invention in the 80's. Home computer systems, video games etc. as we now commonly know them crystalized in the 80's. We emerged from the 80's with Nintendo as the dominant video game console platform, Motorola as basically the only name in cellular telephones and with x86 PCs running Microsoft operating systems as the dominant computing platform with Apple in a distant but solid second place. Video games were common, home computers weren't that out there, people still had land lines, and maybe cable TV or especially if you were out in the sticks you might have one of those giant satellite dishes. If you were a bit of an enthusiast you might have a modem to dial BBSes and that kind of stuff, but basically no one has an email address.

There was a lot of evolution in the 90's. With the possible exception of the world wide web which was switched on in August of '91, there weren't a lot of changes to how computing worked throughout the decade. Compare an IBM PS/2 from 1989 with a Compaq Presario from 1999. 3 1/4" floppy disk, CRT monitor attached via VGA, serial and parallel ports, keyboard and mouse attached via PS2 ports, Intel architecture with Microsoft operating system...it's the same machine 10 years later. The newer machine runs orders of magnitude faster, has orders of magnitude more RAM etc. but it still broadly speaking fills the same role in the user's life. An N64 is exactly what you'd expect the NES to look like after a decade. Cell phones have gotten sleeker and more available but it's still mostly a telephone that places telephone calls, it's the same machine Michael Douglas had in that one movie but now no longer a 2 pound brick. Bring a tech savvy teen from 1989 to 1999 and it won't take long to explain everything to him. The World Wide Web exists now, but a lot of retailers haven't embraced the online marketplace, the dotcom bubble bursts, it's not quite got the permanent grip on life yet.

There was a lot of revolution in the 2000's. Higher speed internet that allow for audio and video streaming, mp3 players and the upheaval those caused, the proliferation of digital cameras, the rise of social media. When I graduated high school in 2005, there were no iPhones, no Facebook, no Twitter, no Youtube. Google was a search engine that was gaining ground against Yahoo. The world was a vastly different place by the time I was through college. Take that savvy teen from 1989 and his counterpart from 1999 and explain to them how things work in 2009. It'll take a lot longer. In 2009 we had a lot of technology that had a lot of potential, and we were just starting to realize that potential. It was easy to see a bright future.

There was a lot of stagnation in the 2010's. We started the decade with smart phones and social media, and we ended the decade with smart phones and social media. Performance numbers for machines kept going up but you kinda don't notice; you buy a new phone and it's so much faster and more responsive, 4 years later it barely loads web pages and takes forever to launch an app because mobile apps are gaseous, they expand to take up their system. A lot of handset manufacturers have given up so now there are fewer options, and they've converged to basically one form factor. Distinguishing features are gone, things we used to be able to do aren't there anymore. The excitement wore off, this is how we do things now, and now everyone is here. Mobile app stores are full of phishing software, you're probably better advised to just use the mobile browser if you can, mainstream video gaming is now just skinner boxes, and by the end of the decade social media is all about propaganda silos and/or attention draining engagement slop.

Now we arrive in the 2020's where we find a lot of sinisterization. A lot of the tech world is becoming blatantly, nakedly evil. In truth this began in the 2010's, it's older than 4 years, but we're days away from the halfway point of the decade and it's becoming difficult to see the behavior of tech and media companies as driven only by greed, some of this can only come from a deep seated hatred of your fellow man. People have latched onto the term "enshittification" because it's got the word shit in it and that's hilarious, but...I see a spectrum with the stagnation of the teens represented with a green color and the sinisterization of the 20's represented with red, and the part in the middle where red and green make brown is enshittification.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

From an old geek; spot on.

Feels the same with lot of other tech too: space voyage, cars & motorcycles, robots, most are just like last year with some small cosmetic change or 7% more of this or that.

Sure, things are getting better but it doesn't feel like it does any more.

Edit: hey, Lemmy & the decentralised fediverse is quite cool new tech.

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[–] Saltarello@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

Tech has definitely become worse since megacorps killed the little guys & sucked the fun out of everything. Open source & self hosting is becoming/has become the only way. So glad I taught myself how to do it

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Design wise, absolutely peaked in the 90s/2000s. Now everything looks like a copy of each other with uninspired designs across the board.

In terms of what it has to offer, I personally don't think so. Couldn't imagine going back 10-20 years ago and not having a device like my Steam Deck that can play computer games on the go (laptop not included since when are you realistically pulling out a laptop on a drive when heading out for errands?) or having a laptop not as thin as my current laptop or even just the touchscreen feature. I also couldn't imagine going back 20 years ago and not having a 1 or 2 TB portable external hard drive (or if they were out, being a lot more expensive than now).

[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The PSP is 20 years old now. Absolutely massive game library, and definitely on par with the console and PC games at the time.

The game library is well worth revisiting on something like a retroid pocked with upscaling.

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

oh, you seem like you know a thing or two. I want to get into the PSP library but kind of missed everything about everything about it. Got any favorites to recommend?

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[–] 01011@monero.town 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're not crazy. I feel that even when the tech is slightly better the trade offs make the overall deal worse.

More RAM but its soldered in on laptops. More storage on phones but no micro sd slot. No headphone jacks, the overall obsession with inferior wireless audio. Streaming services suck for anything that is not a live event and I think eventually more people will realize that. Especially as they keep hiking prices. Clearnet internet has been destroyed. The gaming industry is a joke nowadays. Charging full price to play betas.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What's wrong with wireless audio? I've often had the problem that my audio jack was full of dirt so the jackplug couldn't properly connect anymore. I don't have that problem with wireless. Worst problem is that the connection sometimes stutters when I'm walking through the train station during rush hour

[–] 01011@monero.town 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

I have never had that issue with a jackplug. Wireless headphones mean stuttering connection and one more thing with batteries that you need to manage. Also, most of the wireless headphones that I've tried have much smaller cups than the wired variety. I haven't found a pair of wireless in-ears that are as comfortable as my preferred IEMs. In general, they might be okay for movies but not for music with an overemphasis on bass that I hate. The few options that don't sound bad are wildly overpriced.

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Depending on the surroundings you might have a spotty connection if using Bluetooth to stream your audio from let's say your phone to a plugged in wireless speaker. I've personally had to pair and unpair failed connections and replace several wireless headphones because their batteries don't last longer than 4 or 5 months from unboxing. I'd much rather rely on a high quality pair of headphones that don't need charging and last me years at a time with no issue so long as I keep the headphone jack clear of debris.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 120 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I think new tech is still great, I think the issue is the business around that tech has gotten worse in the past decade

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Agree. 15+ years ago tech was developed for the tech itself, and it was simply ran as a service, usually for profit.

Now there's too much corporate pressure on monetizing every single aspect, so the tech ends up being bogged down with privacy violations, cookie banners, AI training, and pretty much anything else that gives the owner one extra anual cent per user.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aka “enshittification”

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago

Enshittification was always a thing but it has gotten exponentially worse over yhe past decade. Tech used to be run by tech enthusiasts, but now venture capital calls the shot a lot more than they used to.

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[–] Redredme@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The question op is posing is:

Which new tech?

In the decade op's talking about everything was new. The last ten years nothing is new and all just rehash and refinements.

ML, AI, VR, AR,, cloud, saas, self driving cars (hahahaha) everything "new" is over a decade old.

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago
  1. Bang. We needed to stop right effing there!
[–] ptz@dubvee.org 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

It all went downhill when the expectation of an always-on internet connection became the norm. That gave us:

  • "Smart" appliances that have no business being connected to the internet
  • "Smart" TVs that turned into billboards we pay to have in our homes
  • Subscription everything as a service
  • Massive zero-day patches for all manner of software / video games (remember when software companies had to actually release finished/working software? Pepperidge Farm remembers)
  • Planned obsolescence and e-waste on steroids where devices only work with a cloud connection to the manufacturer's servers or as long as the manufacturer is in business to keep a required app up to date
  • Every piece of software seemingly sucking up all the data it can about you and feeding it back to the mothership so you can be profiled and sold to advertisers
  • Pretty much everything Apple does is designed to further lock you into their ecosystem and/or remove a port that's standard in order to pocket the savings and sell you a dongle for $29.99
  • Dwindling / disappearing availability of physical media you effectively own forever in favor of digital libraries that you only have a flimsy license to access at the company's whim (even though you "bought" the title for the same price it would have cost on physical media). Those have been ruled non-transferable (e.g. if you want to leave them to someone in your will) and the company going under leaves you with no rights or ability to get a refund or physical copy of things you supposedly bought but can no longer access.

Other than hardware getting more powerful and sometimes less expensive, every recent innovation has been used against us to take away the right to own, repair, and have any control over the tech we supposedly own.

Edits: I keep thinking of more things that annoy me lol.

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[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

TV resolution peaked about 10 years ago with 1080p. The improvement to 4K and high dynamic range is minor.

3D gaming has plateaued as well. While it may be possible to make better graphics, those graphics don’t make better games.

Computers haven’t improved substantially in that time. The biggest improvement is maybe usb-c?

Solar energy and battery storage have drastically changed in the last 10 years. We are at the infancy of off grid building, micro grid communities, and more. Starlink is pretty life changing for rural dwellers. Hopefully combined with the van life movement there will be more interesting ways to live in the future, besides cities, suburbs, or rural. Covid telework normalization was a big and sudden shift, with lasting impacts.

Maybe the next 10 years will bring cellular data by satellite, and drone deliveries?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

3D gaming has plateaued as well. While it may be possible to make better graphics, those graphics don’t make better games.

I haven't played it, only seen clips, but have you seen AstroBoy? It's true that the graphics aren't really too much better than the PS4, but there's like a jillion physics objects on the screen with 60fps. It's amazing. Graphics are still improving, just in different ways.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

Astro Bot looks pretty cool, but I think the same gameplay experience was totally possible 10 years ago albeit with fewer pretty reflections, and lower polygon counts.

I think the next breakthrough in gaming and/or VR will be when somebody figures out how to generate Gaussian splatting environments. It’s fundamentally different from the polygon approach and it feels so much more photo realistic.

[–] chrizzowski@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Strong disagree about the 4k thing. Finally upgraded my aging 13 year old panels for a fancy new Asus 4k 27"and yeah it's dramatically better. Especially doing either architectural or photographic work on it. Smaller screens you've got a point though. 4k on a 5" phone seems excessive.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean for television or movies. From across the room 4k is only slightly sharper than 1080p. Up close on a monitor is a different story.

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s significantly better if you’re actually in the optimal range. Rest of article for image. HDR is fantastic on a OLED. Some cheap sets advertise HDR but it’s crap. I’ll also mention 4K from a disc is massively better than any streaming service I’ve come across. Netflix caps 4K streaming at 25 mbps and most of my disc are like 75-90mbps.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago

Yeah my wall limits the size of my TV to 55”, but I also have a fairly short viewing distance of 8 ft. That puts me in the 1080p range. The details of 4K show up better if I sit closer, but I still wouldn’t characterize it as a dramatically different viewing experience. I watch nature documentaries in 4k, but for close ups of faces 1080p is enough for me. I really don’t need to see every pore. And for action/CG I feel higher resolution, like higher frame rate or interpolation, seems to cheapen the effects. I like my movies choppy and blurry like they were meant to be.

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[–] rImITywR@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its called enshitification. Its a process that's been happening in all areas of tech for a while now.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, I'm not sure why the top comments are seeming to ignore this. Stagnation and greed is the problem here.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Your BS radar has simply improved I'm guessing. Go through a few hype cycles, and you learn the pattern.

Hardware is better than ever. The default path in software is spammier and more extortionist than ever.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Nah new tech is great. Flippers, steam decks, nano drones. Bluetooth was a joke a decade ago. Now we can do devices over wifi! Much of the tech from that era barely worked and was practically DIY levels of reliability. Rose colored glasses etc..

Which isn't to say that somethings haven't gotten outright shitty (M$, apple products, etc..). But widely, things are much much better. I think it depends how "mainstream" you are shopping. But if you were shopping "mainstream" then, it was just as shitty as it is today.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm 22 and I feel the same way. 2012-2014 PC hardware was better and I do not care what anyone says. It's probably the software that was better but damn nowadays my 6 core 12 threaded CPU feels so ass in any task compared to my old ass Pentium. I have 32 gigs of RAM and shit can still be slow and unresponsive. Games are poorly optimized because they just focus on making it pretty but it barely looks better. Best example is counter strike 2 vs CS:GO. I played csgo on integrated graphics then on a 1050ti game was always smooth and looked good. Now CS2 looks blurry even with taa off. Runs like shit and sure it looks better but not that much better for it to run how it does.

Edit: another example is vermintide 2. I upgraded my hardware since I played the 1st one but it runs way worse than the 1st one.

I used to customize my desktop like crazy with the dumbest 3D effects. I was on a Pentium using Ubuntu 14.04, integrated graphics. Now I can't run discord and 3D effects without noticing the difference in performance.

Software is getting worse. Because it's getting more and more complex. Now even basic things back then are rough to do now.

I don't have proof or know enough to prove it but I can feel it.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I blame the big tech companies. 10-20 years ago they were not that big so they didn't buy every competition to kill them. Now any time we get a new company or product that could change the world, one of the big 3 (apple, amazon, google) will buy them to keep the tech, code, or people for themselves.

Wanna see what not being bought by big tech is like? Look at what FOSS is doing. Look at Home Assistant, Jellyfin, AOSP is doing, it's making huge leaps without big tech.

I'm young enough to tell you that it's not just nostalgia. Most new tech now is like "cool but impractical" at best and "I'm worrying about how this will be used to make the world worse" at worst. Nothing to make me think it's the future.

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