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Thinking of red states vs blue states is busted. Plenty of good visualizations of this over the years, but this election in particular feels really important to point out "We" did not chose this.

When I say we I mean registered US voters, but even less so citizens, and even less so again residents.

Even of the voters who did vote for the GOP candidate, who can say how many really wanted him or his policies vs they just didn't want more of the status quo Dems.

The popular vote tallies in this graphic are out of date too, He definitely didn't win in a landslide the way it can appear with red and blue maps. His win in the popular vote was also pretty small now that more votes have been counted. https://www.thenation.com/.../donald-trump-vote-margin.../

So, what if Biden used broad immunity SCOTUS granted to declare a crisis of democracy - That between massive disinformation campaigns by enemies both foreign and domestic, voter suppression, as well as many other factors, the will of the people can't be discerned from our recent presidential election. That it would be a dereliction of duty both to the people and to his oath to defend the constitution to hand over power to someone whose clear and declared intent is abuse the power of the office to fundamentally reshape or demolish our republic based on this highly suspect and incomplete result (remember, most people didn't even vote)

Here is my off the cuff proposal for what to do after that

A new election, everyone must vote. Trump and Harris on the ballot, but each major party must offer 2 candidates, and we're using Ranked Choice Voting. 1st place gets presidency, 2nd place gets VP.

Biden almost certainly won't do anything like this. He is clearly a coward with a stupid sense of optimism - a "things will be just fine, no need for any drastic measures" ever, mentality, and despite some rhetoric has shown no signs that he thinks there is anything to actually be concerned about from the party which has veered hard towards fascism. But, hey, a guy can dream.

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[–] 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 minutes ago

Honestly, I see this outcome as the majority of the people saying, "Less politics, please." How about we try something new that's something old? Using juries to select presidents, governors, and other government officials. Randomly selected citizens decide life and death for people accused of a crime. That's a jury. I think the majority of us would be okay with randomly selected juries deciding elections too, especially if it means a serious reduction in how much we have to witness of the political campaign process.

[–] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 2 points 22 minutes ago

I love New England

[–] nlgranger@lemmy.world 4 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

We in France experienced a higher than usual participation rate during the last representatives elections. Turned out the extra voters had roughly the same distribution as the others. At least it was not game changing. In the US, the winner takes all voting system also demotivates voters, in some counties the argument that voting is useless is legit.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 19 minutes ago

Didn't the left in France turn up big time before Macron stole their election?

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not voting is not only refusing to participate in the democratic process (despite its flaws and choice of candidates), but it's also silently accepting the outcome of it, no matter how much the impact of your tiny vote has.

If you care about what's going on in any way, voting isn't only a right, it's a duty.

[–] xorollo@leminal.space 1 points 4 minutes ago

I wish it were easy to do. Mail in voting is a game changer. Check out how difficult it is in Alabama, for example: https://www.sos.alabama.gov/alabama-votes/voter/absentee-voting

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 74 points 5 hours ago (7 children)

Not voting is a choice.

Like it or not, this is what America chose. The only thing left to do is work to mitigate the damage and figure how to make more Americans take that choice seriously in the future.

[–] bestagon@lemmy.world 2 points 47 minutes ago

Well it should also be said voting isn’t as accessible as it should be in this country. For some it could be between keeping your job or casting your vote in a state you’ve never seen painted a different color in your lifetime. It’s also just needlessly inconvenient, and that’s a lame excuse, but the people in charge know that for every little bit of hurdle you place in front of voters you’re going to keep a significant number of people home

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 37 points 4 hours ago

Exactly. 88mil people were, at best, indifferent to a Trump presidency. Considering just how bad Trump is that is inexcusable. Like, imagine looking at that fuckwad and going “meh, I don’t really care either way.”

[–] Tarogar@feddit.org 27 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

There is this saying : if you didn't exercise your right to vote, you don't have the right to complain about the election results either.

Not voting is effectively saying : "don't care, either is good for me." So... Yes you did choose this result by virtue of not making your opinion heard when you were asked for your opinion.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

For every left leaning person that protest voted third party or just decided not to bother for some perceived inadequacy in Kamala, real or imagined, congratulations. You played yourself. For every eligible non-voter, wake the fuck up. Harris was not perfect, definitely had some flaws and wishy washy positions. But you know what she was? Fucking normal. There is no policy for which Trump was superior, and there is no norm, tradition, law, or morality that Trump will not challenge, ignore, or destroy. You people need to fucking do something. Participation is the bare minimum. Grow up.

Update: To all you salty down voters, yes, I mean you. Grow up.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

I want stats on how many of these people there were

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 76 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (6 children)

Donald Trump won the 2024 Presidential election in a free and fair election. The indisuptable fact is that 10 million or so Democrat voters chose, for whatever reason, to stay home. Your proposal essentially takes the whining that Trump has been spewing for 4 years and puts it on steroids. The 2024 election was not stolen; the American people had the chance to make their voices heard, and 10 million of them chose to say nothing. We as a country elected Trump, and now must start dealing with the consequences of that choice. Just like Trump, we don't get a do-over if we don't like the results.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'm going to keep shouting this from the rootops until people get it throigh their skulls: TURNOUT WAS NOT THE ISSUE. Ignoring that people haven't updated the totals in their head since the Friday after the election, turnout was only down in uncompetitive states. Across the 8-10 swing states turnout was up. More people voted where it mattered most compared to 2020. Find a better explanation because this isn't it.

[–] WorkIsSlow@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Thank you, I've been getting so frustrated at people missing the point. The drops in turnout that people saw were in uncompetitive states. While that does effect down ballot races it did not get Trump elected. An uninspiring campaign leads to uninspiring turnout in those areas.

People aren't doing well and they are willing to vote for anybody claiming to run on change. Most people are politically illiterate and they'll take a chance on any change they are offered. Running a campaign on more of the same corporate bullshit was a losing strategy.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 21 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

It wasnt exactly fair, considering Russia called in fake bomb threats to Democrat majority polling places and judges refused to extend voting hours to accommodate for the lost time.

Not to mention all of the voter suppression that the Rs pulled, on top of the fact that many people aren't able to stand in line for hours to vote since election day isn't a national holiday.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 17 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah this isn't like the last election in Germany before the Nazis, where armed brown-shirts were standing inside the polling places and half the opposition had been arrested in advance.
This was just a normal US election, and the result was Trump.
After he had already said what he's about to do. In public. Many, many times.
And it wasn't even close.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldnt say it was exactly normal. There were bomb threats in basically every close swing state area, and lots of voter suppression laws that went into effect (okay, that last part is pretty normal unfortunately)

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

and some ballot boxes(?) were set on fire

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

That too, people really tried hard to mess with the vote.

[–] aeischeid@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Never said it was stolen. if you have some counter to this "That between massive disinformation campaigns by enemies both foreign and domestic, voter suppression, as well as many other factors, the will of the people can’t be discerned from our recent presidential election." I'd be interested to hear it.

I admit by that same logic Biden, Trump or other past winners may also be invalid, but that being true of past elections, doesn't make it not true about this one.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

The premise is that “we” didn’t vote for this. Not voting is a choice- in essence a vote. Perhaps not on paper, but a vote nonetheless.

“We” did vote for this, unfortunately.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

Technically Trump is ineligible, per the 14th amendment. By the constitution, Harris won.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I know that Biden received 10M more votes than Harris, but the infographic states that 88M people stayed home. You think only 10M of them were Democrats?

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

My interpretation is that not everyone eligible/registered to vote in 2020 voted. The 88M includes folks that sat out Biden's election, too.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Sure, but this time they had an impact on the outcome of the election.

map

[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 18 points 4 hours ago

All that this map shows is how disenfranchised people feel with the electoral college. What’s the point of voting in 43 states when you already know who the winner will be and your vote is effectively meaningless?

By the way, I voted out of principle, but I do not judge those who feel their votes don’t matter.

[–] rrrurboatlibad@lemdro.id 4 points 3 hours ago

Can you make a map comparing 2020 to 2024? Was voter turnout like this last time? Cool map btw. Thank you

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

I'll preface this by saying that I strongly feel that in a democratic society, citizens have a patriotic duty to do certain things. Jury duty makes our justice system work. Taxes make our public services work. Voting makes our democracy work.

I can't fathom the idea of not voting. Even if you don't support any particular candidate, you still have the option to pick the person who is less likely to ruin your way of life. I have voted in every election since I've been old enough to do so. I've voted for a few candidates I really believe in, and I've voted against a few I truly hated. I have never voted for a candidate that aligned with my views 100%, but I've always voted.

Given the popular vote numbers, it's an undeniable fact that the majority of American voters support Trump. Given the lack of turnout, though, I have to wonder if it's true that the majority of American citizens support Trump. A large group of the population supports the GOP, and a large group of the population just doesn't give a shit. Both are equally to blame for the next 4 years of suffering.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Here is my off the cuff proposal for what to do after that

This is about as likely as my off the cuff proposal of flying around the planet faster than the speed of light so it rotates backwards and turns back time

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (4 children)

Biden almost certainly won’t do anything like this.

Biden can't do this. States have most of the control over how their elections run. For anything like this to be pushed by the Fed it would take a constitutional amendment which requires congress to approve followed by 2/3rds of states to ratify. Stop blaming administrations for not being criminal, it just grants the criminal administrations cover.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Slight correction: A costitutional amendment requires 2/3 majorities in both houses of congress, and ratification by 3/4 of state legislatures.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Well, the first thing I want to say is...."mandate, my ass".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVgtckqSaY

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Even with the "broad immunity granted by the SCOTUS", Biden can't do what you want him to do. Immunity from prosecution does not mean ability to rewrite election laws.

Ambassadors are largely immune to prosecution too, do you think they can rerun our election?

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