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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 17 points 11 hours ago

All the posts are about combat between some guy with a short sword vs. a spear. No one has considered Paul's ability to predict future actions and using that to determine the best outcome. Much like fighting a Jedi (who presumably could anticipate the immediate future), how can you fight someone who already knows how you'll move and the best counter?

[–] Maetani@jlai.lu 44 points 16 hours ago

In a fair fight sure, but this sneaky fucker can read inputs like those cheaty fighting games bots

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Geronimo shredded motherfuckers with a spear. Dude was a master, one of his stories was about killing a whole regiment of Mexican Army who were armed with guns and he and only one or two other tribes men walked away and Geronimo was covered in blood and guts with only his spear left as a weapon.

[–] Name@feddit.nu 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 32 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

No shields. They'll attract Shai-Hulud.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

In that case, a guy with a full-auto handgun

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Unless if is was a lagun. Possibly more explosive than an atomic

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

If no shield, can we have a beam laser build in to the staff to even things up with the precog.

...and some earplugs.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I could beat them both with my invention, the megaspear

[–] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 3 points 15 hours ago

Balista gang?

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

An Honored Matre with her sexy skills!

[–] BlazarNGC@lemm.ee 2 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

You only get a short time with the pointy end of the spear and then once a sword wielder is inside your range, you’ve got an unwieldy stick and they have a sword. Good for stand off melee maybe but prob not. Go swords.⚔️

[–] Whorehoarder@lemmynsfw.com 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So you're saying, once you lose your advantage you gain a disadvantage? This the kind of religious propaganda that put Atreides on the throne

[–] BlazarNGC@lemm.ee 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I’m just saying you better be hot fire with that spear. Otherwise you’re getting cut.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely not. It's the other way around there's a reason any army get spears while swords are just a simbol for nobility.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That reason is price to produce and skill to wield my dude

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not an expert, are you? All the in dephts historical weapon stuff I met in my life has told me and confirmed me spears win against swords.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I didn’t say spears didn’t win against swords.

Spears are easier to wield, it’s a pointy stick. It requires less training to use. Requires significantly less materials to make.

They are a standoff weapon though, in close combat a sword or small bladed weapon wins. Different tools for different purposes.

The information I’m parroting is from experts and historians and literature and everything I’ve read over my 4 decades, it’s common knowledge at this point and not really worth “arguing” imo.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Well my anedoctal evidence is diametrically opposite to yours.

It's time to invoke the sacred sources.

  1. https://swordis.com/blog/spear-vs-sword/
[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Your sacred source might as well be what I just said, so cool thanks.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

At close range the spear becomes a staff which can block the knife and give a concussion thwack.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You only get a short time with the pointy end of the spear and then once a sword wielder is inside your range, you’ve got an unwieldy stick and they have a sword. Good for stand off melee maybe but prob not.

Yes, but getting in close without getting stabbed is really hard.
Here's an actual example of modern HEMA folks giving it a lot of goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLLv8E2pWdk

[–] jakwithoutac@feddit.uk 1 points 7 hours ago

This was incredibly nerdy and I loved every second of it

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Have you ever fenced against a spear?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I fenced in college against people with slightly longer arms and just that minor difference put me at a huge disadvantage.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago

I feel you. I know how many hits I can get in just stabbing at unexpected moments at long range with my sword, with a spear it would be plenty easier.