And here I was being told that Russia was just dropping by a couple of separatist regions by invitation and wasn't going to invade. I'm getting ready for those goalposts to move like lightning. Oh no, that's not imperialist bullying, merely a light shelling.
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Nothing says "protecting civilians" like a little shelling
There has been no shelling of civilian targets.
...except that civilians tend to live in cities, like Kyiv. Or hospitals in Syria. Right, you certainty contradicts the facts.
On what basis do you make that claim?
Personally, I didn't see what angle there would be for Russia to actually invade Ukraine. Recognizing Donetsk and Luhansk was justified, but going further than that takes away any legitimacy from Russian position.
It seems like recognizing the Donbass region as separate republics was always going to be a stepping stone to attacking the rest of Ukraine.
Totally didn't see that coming
I know you are being sarcastic, but there were a handful of people across Lemmy insisting there was no invasion coming.
They said that the military buildup didn't happen, that it was just the latest in a history of false alarms, that it was just the west warmongering, etc. and basically spent the last week calling people crazy for suspecting that any attack was on the table.
Oops, just wrong about an impending war where the evidence was screamingly obvious. No biggie.
Russia was not going to wait for the Ukronazi offensive, but decided to attack first. Now its time to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. No clear confirmation of a Russian ground invasion, the attack was carried out with artillery and air strikes on military targets (and very effectively).
Is this just the Cliffnotes of a Putin speech?
I still think that the underlying problem is purely a collapsing economic system. This has always been the case in the capitalist system when, due to some crisis, the speculative bubble burst, always in the quest for infinite growth. This situation always ended with a war, for which any pretext was used, to make a reset, especially by imperialist countries whose largest investments are in the military and weapons field. Destroyed countries with a reduced population are always a huge deal with reconstruction, to start this cycle of infinite growth again. It's that simple. All of the current neo-liberal governments should be hanged by the balls to do justice to the people who, as always, pay for these excesses with misery and suffering.
The fact that Ukraine was falling apart all on its own was why I didn't see the logic in Russia actually invading. They could've just sat there and waited for more regions to separate.
They could’ve just sat there and waited for more regions to separate.
Perhaps Putin knows something the rest of us don't.
Like, I dunno... that more regions didn't want to separate, and any pretense to the contrary was purely through his own meddling?
Or perhaps he knows that most regions will either support or not resist Russia?
Yes, but this don't help the economy. The problem in Ukraine has existed for more than 8 years with the oppression of the pro-Russian population, which has already cost more than 10,000 deaths.
But this has not interested anyone. But now, with an economy on the ground, both in Russia and in the US, now suddenly Ukraine is moving into the center of interest, the US doing business selling weapons to Ukraine, with the promise of making them members of NATO and Russia taking the relief, providing support to the pro-Russian side.
Putin claiming that the US wants to extend its influence to its borders while Biden says that Russia wants to annex Ukraine. To take a simile, what would the US say, when Russia proposes to arm Cuba by including them in the Soviet defense? Ah, okay, we already had this.
Meanwhile, the arms industry of both blocs earning a nose of gold and flourishing the economies of both, and the EU between the sword and the wall, as members of the NATO defending interests of EEUU but not the own.
As I said, to hang them by the balls, both.