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Voters in Arab-American strongholds likely tipped Michigan in Trump’s favor
(theconversation.com)
The face-eating leopards will descend upon them quite soon.
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Dividing us once again. The only thing that matters is that the wealthy elite won. Anyone who isn't them lost, and we should all be fighting together.
Harm reduction was not attractive enough for them, unfortunately.
May fate have mercy upon the remaining 2 million Palestinians in Gaza, because Trump will quite assuredly not have mercy on them. I would not be surprised if the end result is their complete annihilation.
Now the Palestinians in the USA will also have problems, due to Trump's policies.
So, congratulations for the self-goal?
If you voted for stein, trump or stayed home...
The hardest thing to accept is that, regardless, good Americans are still going to fight for those in the Muslim community if this administration gets in. You voted for this, indirectly or directly, and they are salivating at the pending opportunity to put you in camps, regardless of your actual background of citizenship, because you "Look foreign!" and that scares them.
How can you be such poor students of (extremely recent) history? I sincerely hope that we don't see the worst of what's possible, but make no mistake, you've made the wrong bet and very likely voted for your own downfall.
No. Just no. Stop attacking the voters! There is no reason when the fall lies on the DMC for running a shitty campaign. If we keep agrueing on who to blame it only validates the rights assumption that we're elitist.
I read another article that surveyed 1,000 swing state voters, and only six of them even identified Gaza as an issue of concern to them.
What state? MI has a ton of Muslims.
It was all different swing States. She was a phone canvasser and was recording the results of all her calls. I'm sure there's some selection bias in that it's not completely representative.
I'm just saying, you know how after the election search results spiked for "Did Joe Biden drop out?"
People online commenting on politics on purpose aren't the average voters. Most people have no fucking clue what's going on with anything, or even how anything works. Those people literally don't care about Gaza and probably haven't even heard about it.
Do not do this
Blaming the white majority that voted for Trump: ✋😤
Finding a scapegoat minority to blame: 😍
Don't worry, there's enough blame for everyone to share
Scratch a liberal, my friend, and you know the rest.
That's a stupid lie created by tankies to coerce Anarchists and other Libertarian leftists to ally with them over liberals. I'd ally with a liberal over a Tankie any day because they're less dangerous and more numerous.
Edit: Every ML and Maoist is a fascist.
I talk to a lot of immigrants, and nobody hates immigrants like immigrants, and nobody complains about immigrants like Trump.
I'm not sure but isn't that a thing more among Latino immigrants?
I've heard Koreans, Nigerians, Indian immigrants and others(including Latinos) complain about immigrants in real life , but I think the phenomenon is reported about Latinos because most Americans primarily think about immigrants as Latinos.
Especially Cubans
Going to be some leopards feasting well in the upcoming years.
If you think Trump will do a better job of saving the Palestinian people, you’re in for a rude awakening.
Almost everyone in North Gaza will be dead by New Years. That’s not on Trump, that’s on Biden. He can’t even be bothered to airdrop food any more, let alone tell Netanyahu in public to stop.
It's not a fantasy. It's anger and disdain for the stupidity of voting against their own interests and bringing others down with them, not wishing harm. I've said this in other posts, but I bet there is more than meets the eye with this situation that we aren't privy to. The options were the VP of a guy that did provide some aid to Gaza and told Netanyahu he was going too far, which they feel isn't enough, or a guy that is ok with them just wiping them out. The choice is a chance for Palestine to survive vs all but certain annihilation. Does anyone think Hamas would do anything different if the roles were reversed? I don't have a solution, but Trump is going to give them more of what they have a grievance with.
None of that addressed what I said. You can’t just gloss over tens of thousands of deaths and say got for more of it and harass grieving families for not going with your plan. Why even bring up Hamas as an excuse, except to avoid addressing Biden’s role in mass starvation of civilians?
You can’t just gloss over tens of thousands of deaths and say got for more of it and harass grieving families for not going with your plan.
Why even bring up Hamas as an excuse, except to avoid addressing Biden’s role in mass starvation of civilians?
I'm not the one making excuses. I voted for Harris. Remember the travel bans early in Trump's first presidency targeting Muslims? Remember his deportation rhetoric. I wouldn't be surprised to find some folks deported to Gaza. I don't wish this on them, but that is a possibility.
The US isn't attacking Gaza, Israel is. What is Biden's role exactly? Providing over 1 billion in aid to Gaza?
Don’t insult my intelligence; the US provides nearly all the weapons Israel is using on Gaza. Unlike Ukraine they are receiving them with zero preconditions and Biden bypassed Congress twice to give them more weapons despite the documented war crimes. Blinken signed off on bombing aid convoys into Gaza and was caught lying to Congress about it. Biden himself scolded Russia and Iran by saying that anyone who gives weapons is equally guilty for the civilian deaths as the army that uses them on civilians. A billion dollar pledge is useless if none of the aid is allowed in and the aid convoys are bombed.
Biden made a choice to block ceasefires and put his trust in Netanyahu who was a known liar.
But this is all a digression; you’re STILL glossing over all of Biden’s failures with “but Trump!” The election is over, you can feel free to criticize Biden now for his screwups. It’s probably the best time to since everyone was saying that we had to shut up about our problems because it was helping Trump earlier.
Doubtful.
Trump won Michigan with 2,804,647 votes. Harris had 2,724,029 votes. Stein got 44,697 votes.
Most Arab Americans and Muslim-Americans said they would vote for Harris or Stein. We don’t have data yet on turnout for the community. And honestly, this failure is on Harris. Her campaign refused to allow Palestinian-Americans to endorse her at DNC despite Harris giving the microphone to Liz Cheney and others on stage. She didn’t meet with any Muslim community people in PA until the last week of the entire campaign. Biden detoured his campaign stops to skip Arab neighborhoods in Michigan completely and wouldn’t apologize for his anti-Palestinian remarks. Harris could have won those voters back by saying that she didn’t agree with Biden and that Palestinian lives are also just as important but she chose not to. Hillary Clinton thought that throwing Muslims under the bus would get a few republicans to flip to her and Harris thought the same.
I don’t think this was the decider. I may think their vote was unfortunate, and probably very unfortunate for them specifically, but the truth of the matter is that the abandonment of the working class in the Rust Belt is what swing the election. This would have been a safe protest vote in a world where the Democrats openly and unashamedly courted workers.
The real irony is that if they had courted workers, they would have been able to support a bolder stance against the genocide as well, and thus not lost these votes.
I don’t think this was the decider
It's not the only factor, but I think it's a fact that had Arab Americans voted blue in the same numbers as 2020, democrats would've won Michigan. Which wouldn't have fucking mattered because Harris lost before Michigan even finished counting, but yeah.
Can you explain to me how the working class has been abandoned by democrats?
Yes, I can. Is that something that you would earnestly want me to do, or are you just curious if it’s something that I’m able to do?
I’m being sincere. I’m not aware of what he did to abandon working or middle class. I remember there was a big rail strike and after it was lost he went back in and piecemealed small victories together for the unions. I also remember him standing behind other unions during his tenure. That doesn’t sound like abandoning the working class.
Okay, cool. I'm glad I asked, instead of assuming it wasn't genuine!
I'm not pointing the finger specifically at Biden, but I know there's some debatable space even regarding him. I also think the rail strike is an example of bad publicity more than anything else. Biden actually intervened to stop the strike AND then pressed the rail companies to concede to the unions. It was actually a pretty big win, but it looked horrible to anyone who didn't do the work to pay attention to the whole thing (which is damn near everyone).
The things I'm thinking about are party-wide, and they aren't all recent. Some of it is clumsy communication, though that's bad because it's usually due to a big disconnect between policy-makers and regular folk. But, some of it is actual screw-ups that we never even tried to stop or reverse, or even admit was a mistake in the first place.
The Economy vs the economy (recent): Democrats are really proud of themselves for their stock market performance, and all signs point to them actually fixing up the capital-E Economy quite a lot from the devastation (and time bomb legislation) of Trump's term. But most of us are actually concerned with the lower-case-e economy, which sucks right now.
- Grocery prices shot through the roof. My bill went from $800 to $2k/mo over the last few years. We aggressively cut back but things are much leaner now. We can't eat out anymore. Most of this isn't inflation, it's just people charging more, but it's gone completely unmentioned for years.
- Housing prices also shot through the roof. Again, because of megacorporate bad behavior, with giant companies buying up billions in houses and just... raising the prices. Things were already bad here, but this has been a catastrophe.
This and a bunch of other stuff collaborates to create an impression to folks that inflation is high and the economy sucks. But, technically, those cost of living setbacks aren't actually due to inflation, and technically they aren't "the economy". So the Democrat message of "the economy is great!" has a lot of people pretty angry and frustrated.
NAFTA, and the globalization trend (decades of bad policy, here): Huge swaths of legislation which directly resulted in the loss of domestic industry and handouts to megacorporate / Wall St. bodies can be directly traced to Democrat policies. Seriously. It's not like all policy can be predictably good or bad over a long period of time, but this specifically has never seemed good. Factories began to close domestically the instant NAFTA passed legislation, and we've never really recovered.
The problem here is that this is largely due to the Neoliberal / Third Way movement of Democrats. This is a pseudo-conservative corporation-friendly movement that led to Clinton's huge sweeps in the 90s, and because of that dramatic success, Democrats see corporate lobby/donors as a core pillar of the party now. In fact, the same folks that pushed Harris' incredibly disappointing play for "swing voter" Republicans are part of this pillar. They aren't "borderline" conservatives, they are literal conservatives.
Fundamentally, I'm not saying "Democrats are BAD!", I'm saying that these disconnects and pro-corporate stances are real. To look at the Democrats and feel like they aren't sticking up for workers isn't irrational. It makes a lot of sense.
To see what a pro-worker party might be like, think about Bernie (who seems real damn frustrated with the party right now) - as an independent, he establishes a firm coalition with Democrats in order to serve the purpose of mitigating Republican harm, but his entire slate of concerns are so completely different from Democrats writ large that they seem like totally different platforms. And, well, honestly, they are.
Yeah, this is a big problem as well. I don’t want to make it seem like Republicans are somehow good for workers. They’re way worse. They will devastate the working class in the coming years.
I’m saying that it doesn’t seem to workers like there IS a party that is pro worker. And to be honest, “isn’t as bad for workers” isn’t the same as “pro worker”. So I think that if workers don’t feel like Democrats or Republicans are on their side, that seems perfectly rational to me.
I mean even if Gaza didn't happen I feel like a voting bloc primarily built around a religious group wasn't going to be firmly held by the Democrats anyway tbh.
Just like a lot of Latinos this year, they're happy to vote for Trump because they "got mine" and aren't concerned about deportation, etc.
Many of them voted Green due to Gaza policies.
Well that's pretty darn interesting of actually true.
I mean it is what it is but I better not hear a peep about any of the things they will regret in the decision to dick all of us over.
May they remember that the dildo of consequences rarely comes lubed.
Especially if they ordered from the Trump enterprises.
years later we will be seeing documentaries on how Trump or Elon paid someone or used their own means to target these communities to sway their votes. now we know why Elon got xhitter.
I hope they (and other groups that think Trump will help them) had fun shooting themselves in the foot. Now we all get to suffer for it. Thanks for that.