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Sanders: Democratic Party ‘has abandoned working class people’ (thehill.com)

submitted 19 hours ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

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Summary

Bernie Sanders criticizes the Democratic Party for neglecting the working class, leading to their recent election losses.

He highlights issues like economic inequality, job displacement, healthcare costs, and foreign policy as key concerns for the American people.

Sanders questions whether the Democratic leadership will address these issues or remain beholden to big money interests.

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[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 1 points 35 minutes ago

This is an inaccurate claim by Sanders. Biden was the first President to walk a picket line with striking workers.

With union negotiations, he was pretty balanced. He did come down on the railroad strikes some after both sides got stuck, but they did get improvements beyond what management wanted to give. With the ports, though, he stuck with the workers and forced management to negotiate by refusing to override the strike.

Could the Democrats do more? Sure. But they're still recovering from the fever that took the party over with Clinton in '92. There are a lot of people who believe that win was a meaningful approval of the pro corporate but not racist Democratic Party platform, when in reality Clinton only won thanks to Perot.

I don't know that there was any magic messaging that Harris could've deployed this time around. I'm not sure there was any likely alternative even from a short post-Biden primary that could've done better than her.

Trump has everyone thinking he has some magic way to boost salaries and lower prices. And he railed against the elites more stridently and apparently people believed him.

On the other hand Google saw a lot of traffic with people asking if Biden dropped out so who knows what could have been done to avoid Trump 2.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Working class people can also suck, tho. Remember all those stickers they put on the gas pumps blaming biden for the price of gas. Like, common you fucking fools, that's ridiculous and you would never let your bitch boy trump take the credit for that.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If you don't want to be crying again in 2028, start working now.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Some of us never quit. It's just annoying that everytime you bring up legit concerns its met with people defending the status quo. 2016 the status quo was drug to the town square and hung. I don't care if you pulled it down marionette it around, it's 2024 and a knife was stabbed through the heart of this country. Democrats still have the helm and they will do nothing, they will let it bleed out. All the power of the american government and they cannot weird it despite a lifetime working in it.

If democrats were even going to consider change they would spend their political capital, NOW. Since it is all gone come January.

Say I'm wrong and they can keep playing political footsy with NAZIs till the end of time, why, why, why, would anyone want that????

[–] argarath@lemmy.world 21 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

I wonder why Bernie and other progressives don't band together and announce their own party. With enough big names (especially Bernie) they could gather enough attention to be a viable third party that actually represents progressive and more left leaning ideas than the democrats. They have two years until the next local elections to get their foot on the race, I think they could get done traction if they actually go for that

[–] BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 3 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

Bernie purposefully did not do that because he did not want to be seen as another Ralph Nader. He believed working inside the system would do more good than doing a dirty break. I also wish he went in the direction of a break from the democratic party, but that's just not who he is.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)

Sigh I was the same way but now I see that people just won't get out out to keep evil men at bay. I had hoped we can stick with the dems until the GOP is not a threat and then make our break.

If we made a progressive party now I wonder how many dire hard dems will join?

[–] BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 2 points 30 minutes ago

Unfortunately I would think very few would care. For example, the Green party is very progressive, and comes with a TON of advantages electorally. They're on the ballot in almost every state, run in local and national elections, and have a system all set up for nominating people, etc. When you look at the Green party's platform, it's very close to what the progressives claim to actually want. Yet most democrats just shit on them at every opportunity instead of voting for the platform they ostensibly believe in.

[–] chaonaut@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

There is a lot of "invisible" work that party orgs do. If you want to see why big names and attention alone don't work, look at the Green Party. They have name recognition, ballot access and even get a bit of the vote each presidential election. What they're missing is the "ground game" that gives the presence in nearly every race in every precinct, and the local engagement to actually win an appreciable chunk of elections every year (not just the presidential years).

[–] UselesslyBrisk@infosec.pub 13 points 3 hours ago

Bernie is not nearly as popular as most on the internet echo chambers would have you believe.

The fact is this is now a money game. Grass roots campaings and parties are more disadvantaged than ever at being able to get their voice out to people, especially ones that arent perptually over connected to the internet and forums.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Because they understand the spoiler effect.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago

We already lost. The time is now to work on something new. Tuesday and the 60 days before it were shut up and vote. Today and the next 3.5 years are shout and organize.

[–] leftytighty 13 points 3 hours ago

The Democrats have been spoiling elections plenty on their own

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 46 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

The DNC needs to allow voters to elect who they actually want during the primary. We were force fed Hillary because the DNC didn't want Bernie. We didn't even have a primary because we were force fed Biden, then given Harris because Biden was so unelectable. The DNC must allow democratic process to take place so that voters elect the presidential candidate that they want.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 6 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 32 minutes ago)

The DNC is too old and too set in its ways. They're like a bad police force- unreformable.

The only way forward for the DNC is to visibly jettison their old guard and hope enough voters give them another shot- which is also a maybe at best. Losers lose.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Democratic party aside, Bernie couldn't get the votes. I actually think the news media has been a much much bigger problem with someone like Bernie getting power. They always try to paint someone like him as being radical, when anywhere else in the world he would be a normal person on the left.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago

The issue with Bernie is that everyone knows he's a socialist. If there was someone else who presented the same ideas Bernie has while also saying "I'm totally not like Bernie" people would actually vote for that candidate. Most Americans are closeted socialists, they'll in favor of socialist policies as long as you don't call it socialism.

[–] leftytighty 4 points 2 hours ago

they're too busy sanewashing totally normal ideas like seperating children from parents, tariffs on every import, and mass deportation. Totally rational positions squarely in the overton window.

What will they say about the concentration camps those immigrants are rounded up into? What will they say about the military being deployed to round up residents? I guess we'll find out.

Taxing billionaires though, how radical

[–] shadowfax13@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago

we don’t do that anymore, having “democratic” in party name is enough. be prepared to have liz cheney as nominee with ben shapiro as her running mate in 2028.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 72 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Hi. Working tradesman. I still voted blue even when the 4 years under trump were mostly better for me than under Biden. Of course most likely coasting off of Obama's era. But I got no relief under Biden. I pay $20k a year for my Healthcare and still have to pay thousands a year out of pocket for visits. My family in Ukraine is still unsure what's going to happen in the next year. Many of brothers in my local are unemployed now during the hardest time to pay to live. We hear the record profits the corporations made and swindled the working class dry so we can eat yet there has been no relief. How did making 6 figures for a family of 5 turn into almost living pay check to pay check.

I'm ok with sacrifice if it means others get the help they need. But I don't think anyone got the help they needed. We sacrificed for no benifit to anyone but the elite, and we are continuing to be ignored.

This is what Sanders is talking about. And I'm afraid of what Trump is going to do for many Americans. For my Ukrainian family back home. For my neighbor who is Taiwanese. But recently I'm more worried to keep food on the table for my kids. I don't even care who won anymore. I have election and political fatigue. I did what was asked. I keep doing what everyone thinks is right. But I'm burning out.

[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago

This comment spoke to me. I'm in the trades as well. I vote blue because, its further left than I can get from the red party.

Best of luck. We will need it.

[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You're likely eligible for your states Medicare subsidies. Democrats fixed the family glitch in 2022, so you'll likely save thousands switching off your employer plan, even if you're making low six figures.

Of course those subsidies expire in 2025, and there is a snowballs chance in hell of those getting renewed now.

Democrats did a lot of things to improve the lives of working class, at least as much as they could get pass the Republican house.

Their problem is messaging. They are terrible at communicating what they're doing, and how it's going to help. I mean part of that problem is the media (ie fox news) is allowed to lie and Dems try to tell the truth. The playing field is not really level.

[–] BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 1 points 41 minutes ago

Another headache is that everything dems do is means tested, so you've got to jump through a bunch of hoops to figure out if you're even eligible for any new program. Even if the programs do give relief to people, it's much harder to message on a complicated program with layers of bureaucracy rather than "everyone gets 3k per child no matter what."

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