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The former Wyoming congresswoman Liz Cheney “hopes to be able to rebuild” the Republican party after Donald Trump leaves the political stage. Mitt Romney, the retiring Utah senator and former presidential nominee, reportedly hopes so too.

Among other prominent Republicans who refuse to bow the knee, the former Maryland governor Larry Hogan is running for a US Senate seat in a party led by Trump but insists he can be part of a post-Trump GOP.

Michael Steele, the former Republican National Committee chair turned MSNBC host, advocated more dramatic action: “We have to blow this crazy-ass party up and have it regain its senses, or something else will be born out of it. There are only two options here. Hogan will be a key player in whatever happens. Liz Cheney, [former congressmen] Adam Kinzinger and Joe Walsh – all of us who have been pushed aside and fortunately were not infected with Maga, we will have something to say about what happens on 6 November.”

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[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Nope. Assuming that Trump loses (which I had thought was a foregone conclusion, but genocide and stupidity is a hell of a drug).....

People like being on the winning team. And having lost the popular vote three times in a row, Trumpism will start to fade. Republicans will switch to the Democrat party, cementing the current rightwards shift. Imagine the Democrats being pro-border in 2020? 2022?

The only silver lining is that in 8 to 10 years we might actually see a progressive party emerge.

If Trump wins, we get faster genocide plus Fascism at home, so at least there's that to look forward to. Hope you're practicing how to be a straight cis white male Christian because it's going to be a rough time for everyone else.

But hey, Jill Stein won't get that check from Putin unless you vote for her and Cornel West has alimony payments to make.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

There's a middle ground. The near future of the party is Ron DeSantis and JD Vance, the smoothed down versions of Trump. I don't think that works and someone new will come out fully populist with authoritarian edges, maybe a Hispanic man to help attract the working class beyond just white people, that seems to be the growth opportunity Republicans need and maybe that solidifies Arizona/Nevada/Texas for them while they put all the effort into the Blue Wall and North Carolina.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No. The Republican Party is now a cult devoted to a person. The party will not be able to move on until that person is out of the picture.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even if he loses this election he'll be a kingmaker behind the scenes for the rest of his life. On top of being the default candidate every 4 years until he dies.

We're gonna be deprogramming these people for the rest of our lives.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just let them be "republicans", make a new "conservatives" party and with the fucked up system the democrats will win every time ...

Hmm...

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's assuming half of the less liberal democrats don't also join that new party.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Imagine two main political parties that each try to do their best for their constituents and their country, are ethical and upstanding citizens, and willing to work with their peers to build the future. Imagine choosing between multiple legitimate candidates by policy, rather than fear of fascism

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Hopefully enough people understand that the system is broken and needs some fixing instead.

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[–] bss03@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you implying that the assassination attempt(s) might be attempts to save the GOP?

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Are you implying that the assassination attempt(s) might be attempts to save the GOP?

The second would-be assassin seemed to think so.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago

I think the JD Vance "I'm a never Trumper" clip has kind of killed the title, no?

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Hogan is a great example. I actually wasn't upset when he won his second term as governor, even though I disagree with some of his policies - but in general he did some good stuff for Maryland during his terms. Like getting masks and covid test kits in secrecy so Trump's idiots wouldn't confiscate them, as happened elsewhere in the country.

I'll never forgive him for axing the bike lane on the new Nice Bridge; we're stuck with that decision for at least 50 years now. But, by far, my biggest problem with Hogan is the "R" after his name.

Those third-party organizations are running ads that say things like, "I voted for Hogan, but not this time - we can't let the Republicans gain power in Congress." (Other organizations are noting "scandals" for the other candidate about taking tax breaks to which she wasn't entitled, but they seem overblown. It seems pretty silly coming from supporters of the party of George Santos, Matt Gaetz, and how many others...)

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Would be wonderful if Steele only succeeds in creating a center-right party, with the GOP still existing as far-right, giving the Democrats (who now have permission to move left) a leg-up in the future.

The Democratic Party will never move left. If our country exists in a recognizable way in four years, we need to put every Republican on trial, let the Dems be the party on the right, and start a new leftist party. Anyone with an R after their name is supporting a traitor to democracy, and is guilty of treason by association.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Are they going to rebuild or they just trying to migrate and take over the Democratic Party? We have this tendency to assume that this country is going to be two parties just as they are right now for the rest of our time but parties have changed in America many times. Hell, these two parties virtually swap places once. Nothing says it can't happen again.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Are they going to rebuild or they just trying to migrate and take over the Democratic Party?

This is exactly what I think is happening. The result of R destroying itself is somehow turning out to be no political home for progressives and left of them in US politics.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lot has shifted over time, but the default state of American politics has always been two dominant parties.

That said, I could absolutely see a scenario where an American centrist party forms, still solidly to the right of most Western democracy, but centrist by current local standards, which not only pulls in the non-MAGA Republicans but also moderate Democrats, blue collar Dems from purple states, and once it gains traction and wins a few races, massive support from corporations and lobbies.

They'd win landslide victories over both older parties, especially as progressives and leftists gained greater control of the Democratic party through the flight of the moderates to the new centrist party, which would in turn drive even more establishment Dems to the new party.

They could run on nothing more than "common sense compromise, unity, and moving beyond the partisan squabbling that has plagued the country for decades", and be successful for at least 3 cycles before they even had to really take up any issues in earnest.

The deep South would stay red, the West cost, new York, and Illinois would stay blue, but I could see all of the mid Atlantic, Midwest, plains states, new England, and Southwest going for a viable centrist party.

For a long few years, national level politics would be absolute fucking chaos.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not sure about New England. New Hampshire and Maine such a party would probably work in, but I am doubtful of any of the rest. MA and VT are two of the most left-leaning states in the country.

[–] danafest@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The current governor of Vermont is a Republican. Vermont tends to vote for the person rather than the party.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

And MA has also had Republican governors in recent history, yet both are always among the highest % voting Democratic in presidential/congressional elections with Democratic supermajorities in their state houses.

Governors in New England are often a weird exception and are sometimes linked to poor turnout. That does not mean either state would have more of an appetite for a centrist party. Such a party would probably take more Republican votes than Democratic.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Considering the number of republicans who have officially come out in support of Harris, even if it's just to avoid trump, it’s certainly possible.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

After the dictator dies, there is always a battle of wannabes trying to replace him, a map of regional warlords trying to be the next Grand Cheetoh. Hopefully those regional warlords fall into obscurity and sanity prevails

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The brand is kind of poisoned, they should abandon it, let the wackos have it, and come up with something new.

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Honestly, they could take over the Libertarian party quite easily. It's not like its current leadership is particularly effective.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 91 points 2 days ago (31 children)

If Trump loses, I don't know that there will be a Republican party. The top people all hate each other and the only thing that unites them is brown-nosing Trump. They will tear the party apart all trying to replace him.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which will be the optimal outcome

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Unless they take the country with them

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[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As long as there is a large concentration of a anti-education, anti-intellectual, and nationalistic brained people in easily gerrymandered areas there will probably always be a conservative party. The GOP has been playing their hateful scared brains like a fiddle for a good four plus decades, and they won't go quietly into the night.

Maybe if we didn't have a poorly planned two party system they'd have far less actual power.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm trying really hard to not be a pessimist right now for what I think are obvious reasons. It's not easy.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Trump happened because large segments of US voters feel disenfranchised and resentful, as they feel they have been left behind and that their lives have been made worse by the policies of the political establishment and experts. If said political establishment and the experts want to end the Trump movement and prevent something similar from happening again, they're going to have to address the concerns of dissatisfied voters. I don't really think either party knows how to go about doing that.

I think part of the reason for that is there's still significant discussion about what has caused so many Americans to become so unhappy with leadership, and you can't really come up with a solution until you correctly identify the problem. I still don't think the experts have a very good grasp on why Americans are upset. Until they figure it out, they can't come up with a solution, and until they come up with a solution, movements like Trumpism are still very possible.

[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh they fucking know. Say it with me:

Wealth Inequity

I don’t think anyone really hates Jo Millionaire. Jo, the master electrician that lives down the street and employs 5-10 electricians from apprentice to employee-master is a millionaire and contributes positively to their local community. Creating jobs through helping people with their electrical projects, spending in the local economy, etc. And that’s a realistic goal for their apprentices to aspire and work towards.

Unfortunately that’s who republican voters think they’re voting to support.

But they’ve been duped; they’re actually voting to support the Billionaire Aristocrats of the world who pull up the ladder behind them through monetary influence of politics and not paying a damn dime on their ‘income’ (because they’re “borrowing against” their unfathomable hoard).

“They” know why the voters and disenfranchised and that’s their fucking plan—because it keeps them employed and wining and dining fancy with their Aristocrat puppet masters.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I don’t think anyone really hates Jo Millionaire. Jo, the master electrician that lives down the street and employs 5-10 electricians from apprentice to employee-master is a millionaire and contributes positively to their local community.

I think that's true, but some Jo millionaires get rich enough to become part of the billionaire aristocrats. That's the goal, isn't it? Don't most business owners want to grow their business and their wealth, seemingly indefinitely? Maybe that's why the millionaires are such strong supporters of the billionaires: because they ultimately aspire to be among them. Obviously, most won't be able to achieve that, but they aspire to it nonetheless.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago

Trump happened because large segments of US voters feel disenfranchised and resentful, as they feel they have been left behind and that their lives have been made worse by the policies of the political establishment and experts.

Plus "and their solution is to oppress outgroups so that, in comparison, they have more status."

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump is happening because far right republicans realized after Watergate that if they wanted to get away with crimes in the future, that they needed to have news that presents "alternate" facts that are favorable to their narrative or that would at the least muddy the waters. Roger Ailes his plan worked basically.

Without censoring his appearances, Trump comes across as petulant/weak/selfish/stupid/hateful/... Without censoring his history, republican voters would have known that he was a serial scam artist, serial adulterer, ... Basically without that alternate fact media supporting rightwing skullduggery, there would never have been a president Trump.

Imo it's nonsense to claim that Trump getting elected, is happening because voters are angry because of mysterious reasons that no one can figure out, when those voters are so misinformed that they consistently vote against their own interests and believe stupid conspiracy theories that are being pushed to rile them up against the "other". As long as that many people live in an alternate reality based on lies and hate, there is no helping them. So the challenge becomes: how do you bring them out of it and how do you prevent it from happening again in the future.

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 2 days ago

It's really not hard to identify why, but billionaires will spend their life savings convincing people that late stage capitalism and oligarchy work.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 15 points 2 days ago (13 children)

The new left party that forms in the wake of the Republican implosion will rise out of the growing union movement that is already organizing to address that fundamental problem.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 62 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Maybe y'all shouldn't have made it so hard for third parties to run.

[–] Rob200@lemmings.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't mind a new socialist party in the u.s politics.

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