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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] sinkingship@mander.xyz 42 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Who are these candidates with a "bold climate agenda"? I don't know any political party in any country, where I'd say 'they've got a bold climate agenda'.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 14 points 1 month ago

lol for real though.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

There aren't any. The article is talking about what people want.

[–] MrMakabar 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What would make a "bold climate agenda"?

[–] msage@programming.dev 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck cars. Support public transport.

Fuck private planes.

Stop meat and milk subsidies, add extra taxes instead.

No more fossil energy anywhere.

Even that little is bold.

[–] MrMakabar 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That is pretty much the agenda of every Green party anywhere. With the last point usually taking a decade or so, but still.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_party

[–] sinkingship@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Read the Wiki and well, I dont know. It may be a climate agenda, but in my opinion being green isn't necessary being bold.

Bold would be meeting at least what scientist recommend: halving emissions by 2030. I know, that's very much to ask for any country in the world. That's why it's called bold.

What green parties all over the world are doing is: turn the rudder away from fossil fuels towards renewable energy. Which is a step in the right direction, but I think that's not bold. It's the least one can do.

[–] MrMakabar 2 points 1 month ago

There are some. Plaid Cymru has net zero until 2035 in the manifesto for example. The Finnish Greens even go for carbon neutral by 2030. There are probably more, which in effect would end up in a similar situation. After all the current EU emission target would be a 41% reduction by 2030(55% reduction by 2030) compared to 2022.

[–] aniki@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Irrelevant Russian stooges

[–] MrMakabar 3 points 1 month ago

This current one is very much including countries outside of the US and Green Parties have been and actually are in government in a number of countries. Also those parties are mostly not Russia friendly at all.

[–] altec@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

Stop subsidizing corn. A crazy amount of US crops just get turned into animal feed or ethanol.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

73% of Young US Voters should open their eyes and realise that the entire state mechanism is owned by capitalists, and that they would never let anyone who threatens their profits get in to power.

Then they should start reading up on anarchism, and start getting serious about enacting change instead of continuing to play along by the rules the capitalist state has set out for them and expecting said change to somehow materialise out of a system that has, and will continue to, put all of its might in to preventing it.

Let’s just hope they vote.

[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

How many of them support severely restricting their lifestyle to meet those climate goals?

Everyone supports climate action until they find out it means no A/C, riding the city bus, and not having 2.5 kids in a suburban McMansion

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

You'd be surprised. There are people who are willing to do those things.

Especially if you have city planning that actually works. Instead of what the US currently has.

[–] alienghic 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That’s nice. Now figure out how the standard of living for a young adult in America with no kids renting a studio in Cleveland compares to a family of 4 in rural India

[–] alienghic 1 points 1 month ago

I think it's more fair to compare average income versus average life satisfaction. (using a scale of 1 to 10) (On this scale Finland is the happiest, and Afghanistan is the least happy)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-vs-happiness

Average satisfaction for Costa Rica (6.61) or Mexico (6.33) isn't that much lower than the United States (6.89) at roughly 1/4th the GDP.

South Korea (5.95) doubles Mexico's GDP ($45.5k vs $20.25k) but has a lower life satisfaction.

Or Hong Kong (5.31, $58k) is close the US ($64k) in GDP but less happy than Russia (5.66, $27.4k).

Costa Rica is at the 1.5t per capita probably safe emissions and has a life satisfaction of 6.61 compared to the US's 6.89.

Our world in data also has life satisfaction versus CO2 emissions and central america looks to be doing fairly well for themselves. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-satisfaction-vs-co-emissions-per-capita

[–] ProdigalFrog 1 points 1 month ago

Air Conditioning is already fully electrified. While we should be prioritizing more efficient housing and urbanism, air conditioning and heatpumps are not something we suddenly have to forego with a renewable powered grid, especially in a world that will increasingly require it for survival.