They key is they did it nationwide. If one area in the US tries to do this, other areas will ship them their homeless.
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Conservatives hate these not because they don't work, but that they shouldn't work. They insist that the only thing that matters is piety and hard work. If those aren't enough, you just aren't pious enough and aren't working hard enough, even if the work literally crippled you that you cannot do as much of it as you did before.
It is entirely about being cruel and evil as a policy.
"Without the threat of being thrown out onto the street, my workers won't put up with as much mistreatment."
If you have kids and aren't rich, you literally can't go into business for yourself in the US...if you fail that means your family becomes homeless and loses their health care.
The cruelty and evil helps the rich control the rest of us.
And enriching the bourgeoisies!
Just execute the homeless, grind them into feed for the poor and the problem solves itself.
Holy shit, it's not that hard.
A modest proposal really, Swift would be proud.
i got drunk and forgot why this pissed me off, but gardening is awesome
As a conservative I support this idea, because it has no means testing.
Means testing is fucked up in two ways:
- It makes government larger and gets the government asking questions, poking its nose into everything
- It creates a perverse incentive structure, one which doesn’t match nature and hence doesn’t match the way our brains evolved to respond to challenge.
The perverse incentive structure is the worse of the two, in my opinion. Just like crack cocaine hacks the brain, presents something the brain can’t handle because it didn’t evolve for, rewarding a person with resources only when they don’t succeed basically programs a person to fail.
I’m all for the government generously giving with an open hand to people, and letting the people decide when to start receiving benefits and when to stop. People are either worth it or they aren’t, and a person doesn’t stop being worth it just because they got their shit together, or start being worth it just because they failed.
Government should treat everyone the same. If a government wants to present a service like “free housing if you want it”, I’m totally fine with that.
As a conservative
I’m all for the government generously giving with an open hand to people
"Conservative" is not exactly a rigidly-defined term, but here in the US these two lines I quoted from your comment are absolutely polar opposites.
Edit: I should probably start by saying that this is somewhat off-topic.
In the Netherlands we tend to rank our parties along left-right and progressive-conservative axes separately. Conservative-left gets you Christians who care about the poor. In other countries there's also the "I want the government to support our workers", "I want to go back to Soviet times" and "I'm leftist but LGBTQ is wrong" types.
It's an interesting difference. By supporting aid to the poor, you are trying to conserve that which already exists in your country. By supporting aid to the poor, we are trying to progress beyond what already exists in our country. Same issue, same viewpoint, but because your country is so much more advanced than us already on this issue, it makes you a conservative and me a progressive.
You shouldn't have to work for a roof over your head and mental health support.
A conservative with compassion and sense is always a welcome sight. This is a pretty obvious solution imo, but the powers that be seem to disagree.
I'm for restricting human behavior as little as possible while still allowing anyone to escape any bad situation they don't want to be apart of.
I've seen nothing more demonic than prosperity gospel.
Canonically, if Jesus saw a megachurch, he would start making a whip.
Would be funny if it wasn't so sad and aggravating.
Ok, but how can Finland afford the nesting-doll yachts if they are giving out money that should have gone into billionaires' hoards?
I can imagine nothing more miserable than having a day out on a massive expensive yacht... on the Baltic Sea.
(Regular rich people might have some fun on the ferries, but billionaires probably don't, because this involves buying a ticket and sharing the ship with the rabble.)
One day, I wish I had a shitty old fishing boat and go slowly puttering through the rain and gloom. Living the real life.
Who knew getting them healthy and back in the workforce paying taxes could pay off?
This here exactly should be the goal of all those "fiscally responsible" Republicans: homeless sick dude is healed and housed and counseled until he's back paying his damned taxes and a productive member of society again.
People who can't cope will need a different programme, but still a live-in deal with counseling and a focus on the fundamental needs.
"Party of fiscal responsibility" is projection, just like everything else.
It just depends on whose finances they feel responsible for. If it's wealthy people then yes they are fiscally responsible to make sure they get more tax breaks.
Homeless people cost more money than these programs do, even if you don't take into account the amount of taxes being paid back.
So do prisons. It's all performative nonsense from a financial perspective.
Also I don't quite get it. Who makes the money?
Oh is this so they can work?
Do they have to sign a contract where they will work for you or else they lose the house and counseling?
I just don't see how a society can continue if they aren't paying their fair share!
/SarcasticCapitalism
The worst thing is, this is a far more effective way to make them productive members of society. It just isn’t cruel.
If it's not cruel, I'm not doing it!
Had me in the first half. My thumbs were really revving up.
It still blows my mind that some people cannot comprehend that not everything needs an exchange of currency in some way shape or form.
"They don't do anything in return?" "They don't get worse!" "But who compensates the people who help them?" "We do." "But then who compensates us?"
I view it as a form of capitalism indoctrination. If there's no material compensation it's a bad idea, which is the capitalist idea of "if I don't make a profit I won't do it". I've seen people argue free energy is bad because the excess energy cannot be monetized, which is something you say only if you want to profit from energy.
Like do these people realize that if we give people the means to not just survive, but thrive, in our society which rapidly approaches post-scarcity (I'd argue we'd basically be there if we had better distribution of wealth) then they would have no reason to steal or kill? I mean except for the worst cases, but ya know.. if everyone except for the truly evil has no reason or desire to do crime then....
Just saying imagine a world where police actually fought bad guys and just let social workers handled the wayward sheep, the downtrodden, and the desperate?
Nooooo that money is supposed to go to hard working shareholders like nature intended!!
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Why does it even need to be a transaction? We help each other because it's the right thing to do. It doesn't need to result in anything other than gratitude and happiness.
The "4 out of 5" figure roughly matches what I recall being told by a head of Catholic Charities maybe a decade ago. You certainly have some percentage of people who’ve been given everything they need to be comfortable, and when you leave them alone and come back to check on them, they simply have not been able to look after themselves. But for the vast majority, it does work. People are in a safe space where they can look for work, have an address to put down on applications, and all that.
Quite affordable too; ambulance rides and jail visits aren't cheap.
Yes, but if we don't have so many shitheads in the street how can we justify such bloated police budgets? I would rather spend the money on our fine boys and girls in blue then some people who actually need it.
/s
Okay, but we have to be careful what part of the budget the money goes to. If we pay the cops too much, they might send their kids to college or some other liberal bullshit; and if we pay too much for training, we might accidentally get them competent instructors instead of grifters who promise them that killing people will make their pp hard. We have to make sure that we only buy military surplus that no police force could conceivably need, and paint it scawwy black, because military camo isn't oppressive enough.
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I really don't think anyone can get physically healthier (I think that's a big point) when they are sleeping in the cold and don't have good nutrition. (Multivitamins ftw.)
Everyone deserves food, shelter and safety
Ok Jesus.
Whats next, everyone should be able to see a doctor if they are sick!?
This guy.
Ive had it up to here with this new testament soy boy. Wheres the brimstone? Wheres the suffering?
In my day we'd throw people out to die just for stealing an apple.
In my day, the women lusted after their lovers, whose genitals were like that of donkeys and whose emission were like horses. Ezekiel 23:20
MY God commits war crimes on a massive scale:
The earth will be shaken from its place at the wrath of the LORD of Hosts on the day of His burning anger. Like a hunted gazelle, like a sheep without a shepherd, each will return to his own people, each will flee to his native land.
Whoever is caught will be stabbed, and whoever is captured will die by the sword.
Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses will be looted, and their wives will be ravished. Isaiah 13:13-16
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mmm, yes, their sweaty, sweaty fate
"It's called a reference, sweaty -- look it up."
(Maybe, anyway.)
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