Fuck Cars

Before he revealed himself to be one

Or just reduce the need to drive, for example by encouraging remote work.

Establishing maximums on parking lot sizes to be drastically less than the building's capacity would help

Buy a Tesla because you're trying to help the environment and it was regarded as the best EV at the time

Tesla starts making their products shittier

Tesla lied about range

Tesla CEO loses his mind, buys a social media company, drives it into the ground

Someone on the internet says you're a cunt because you own a Tesla

Tesla drivers were the new BMW douchebags on the road well before he bought Twitter. I got buzzed by in a parking lot the other day by someone doing at least 30, so close it felt like a huge gust of wind. Turned to see a teslas within a foot of me. Jackass drivers in near silent cars in parking lots are a great combo. If the sensors and self driving worked for shit it would of never let them get that close to me.

Man people in here like you legitimately sound crazy. Buying one of the best EVs makes someone a cunt? I hate Elon musk just as much as anyone but he didn't create Tesla, engineer any of them, or build any of them... Y'all are too negative.

I remember a time when the Prius was head turning. It was the first “real” car to be a hybrid. That was interesting.

I would say that the Prius was never cool though.

As much as I think musk is an asshole he did put his money where his mouth is in Tesla which notably almost went bankrupt twice. The reality is that Elon distaste matters orders of magnitude less to buyers than value. I mean people hate Walmart and yet they make a ton of money. Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering. Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world. On Twitter yeah he is running it into the ground arguably on purpose but on Tesla and space x he is doing pretty good. I don't understand what people taking this angle think the founder would have done better. The founder would have just gone bankrupt with Tesla or sold to someone else.

I would also add that people don't deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.

Most people are just going to buy the car that is the best value with the least effort.

No one cares about the rich assholes who own other car companies, so why Tesla? For example Toyota were some of the biggest campaign donors to Trump.

Because the others know to keep their mouths shut and not draw attention to themselves. Also F Toyota for being donors.

Also what does this have to do with Fuck Cars? This is about the minutiae of car culture... We should be talking about trains and bicycles here.

This I totally agree with though. I would perhaps also include cars in the capacity of how they hurt our cities for instance, but in this case it's not like the article said that the Tesla owners bought bikes instead.

Iirc many Tesla owners were/are left leaning and I'm guessing many of them bought a Tesla in a combination of tech enthusiasm and wanting avoiding fossil fuel. The same group of people are probably more positive to, for instance, 15 min cities. So it's likely that some members here own a Tesla.

He had some credibility with nerds because Tesla transformed the electric car market* and was making contributions to renewable energy storage, SpaceX revived the idea of doing more in space than just launching the occasional satellite or probe, and Starlink was pitched with the idea that it'd bring about globally accessable, high-speed low-latency internet. The result is that, because he is the face of Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink, he received the major of the credit for them. Nerds were willing to overlook the fact that he was an asshole for the contributions that his companies were making to science and technology because either "he's just shitposting" or "sometimes you have to take what you can get *shrug*". It wasn't until he bought Twitter that they realized that he's not just shitposting, he really is just like that, and that maybe he was causing more harm than he was doing good.

Source: My dad and I had a lot of respect for him up until he bought Twitter and started throwing a temper tantrum. My opinion of him was already waning when I saw the fit he threw about not being able to use his submarine and the bigoted shit he said on Twitter, but him buying Twitter broke any illusions that the either of us had about him being even a somewhat decent person. I've also seen others have similar experiences as well.

* seriously, does no one remember how the major car manufacturers were trying to bury electric cars? Does no one remember that one of the big reasons why we have so many electric cars now is because Tesla voluntarily released all their patents to the public in 2014?

Well that's because he went from having an ounce of credibility to none at all.

What would be the purpose of swapping ?

It wouldn’t automagically reuse the resources used to build the Tesla car into another one.

Would generally be better if they just kept driving their old car.

A significant part of what Tesla is, is Elon Musk. If not for Musk’s wild and broken promises, Tesla wouldn’t be as overvalued as it is. Tesla without Musk would probably make better cars, but without him running the world’s biggest confidence game from the top office, it wouldn’t have the valuation it currently has.

I mean if you bought a normal car and then the owner of the car company turns out to be an asshole, who cares?

But if you buy a Tesla the owner of the car company can force an update on you tomorrow because he's a cunt. So there is still direct influence. I don't want to know how badly the terms and conditions for Tesla software is worded, if they can randomly up subscription cost, limit your range (to protect the battery of course), shut off features and put them behind a subscription, ..

Or hell, if a Tesla is located in Ukraine it might just not start at all, they also shut down Starlink.

Yeah too bad that idiot at the top hasn't been thrown out like in any normal company and the company is using resources to accommodate his whims.

Yeah pretty much my view. Musk is a loud asshole. You don't think the execs at Ford or GM or Chrysler aren't just as/more evil? Using their billions to further slant laws their way and rig the system for their benefit and at our expense...

That being said though I wouldn't buy one at this point probably. Up until a year or two ago, maybe.