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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago

Humans don't have the technology to manipulate society to deal with the climate crisis. But then we can't get a four-day work-week in the US because a handful of billionaires oppose it.

So far, we're showing about the impetus that cyanobacteria had when it was their turn to kill off the planet. It would have been better if they could have stopped multiplying but they couldn't help themselves. We can't help ourselves either, just with extra steps to reach the same position.

[–] trolling5665@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago
[–] socsa@piefed.social 7 points 11 hours ago

I have sharpie marker technology in my junk drawer.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 23 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

MAGA does not believe in science but they sure believe in them Jewish space lasers.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

sign #8 that you might be a fascist.

[–] Steve@communick.news 52 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Of course we do!
It's called the Fossil Fuel Industry.
It's slow and not well targeted. But if you have a century to put into the project, you can do some real damage.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 10 points 18 hours ago

And it's not like you have to put the full effort in, Mother Nature will do a lot of the rest if you just push the boulder a bit to get it rolling. Humans are not the only cause of climate change, they simply were the catalyst to get it going. Which also means that if we did the unthinkable and stopped all emissions now and forever, the boulder is still rolling down the hill now. It's why Net Zero(TM) is just greenwashing and not some solution.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 hours ago

Did someone seriously take time to consider the garbage pouring from the mouths of those people? Same people gibbering about space lasers, drinking lye and whatever? They say ANYTHING to spread their hate and further their goals. I grow tired how people continue to be surprised how despicable they continue to prove themselves and seem to think their words hold any value. I hope none with skill to do anything worthwhile took any time to look into this instead of doing something more worthy, even taking a shit.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago
[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

But they do have the technology to manipulate large masses of morons into believing that anthropogenic climate change isn’t real, so that they can continue belching millions of tons of CO2 & Methane into the atmosphere, to make those hurricanes worse.

[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

Thus - manipulating hurricans. Anything is possible!

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Ditka vs. a Hurricane? Who would win?

Hold on! Hold on! Hold on! The name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 19 hours ago

should be; humans do not have the tech to manipulate a hurricane

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I mean... I'm pretty sure we could if we tried. It just wouldn't be able to manipulate them much.

Like... what if we built, like, a really big wall to stop the wind? Used lasers to heat it up? Throw thumbtacks into it to make it SPIKY?

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 6 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The cross section of people who will read this and those who need to read it is basically nonexistent. But seriously, who’s spreading this particular bag of crazy? Russia? China? Iran? Israel?

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

Hard to discern if she's working for all 3 or if she is just that stupid. Yeah, yeah, why not both.

[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago

No, I don’t like vanns. Not the automobile or the shoe

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago

idk what if we all blew at it at the same time?

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not saying this would be realistic, but it's hard to believe a tsar Bomba sized detonation in the eye of a hurricane wouldn't do something to destabilize the storm.

That said it boggles the mind to consider the system energy of a large storm.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They say tsar at 50. I want that bad boy at the original planned 100.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"A fully developed hurricane releases the same amount of energy as the explosion of a 10-megaton nuke every 20 minutes"

So Tsar at planned 100 is equivalent to 3 hours 20 minutes worth of hurricane energy.

Wouldn't do shit.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

More

Edit also I'm just fucking around. I said in the first comment that a the system energy is boggling.

As more foolery, I don't think we really know the atmospheric stability impact of a 100MT detonation. I armchair believe it isn't just a linear power output issue.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world -3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

So on one hand, I don't believe for a second that these hurricanes had any kind of man made cause (other than climate change) but on the other hand, I almost expect certain militaries to have these kinds of capabilities.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I'm talking about secret military weapons, not using nukes. I understand the amount of energy necessary to stop them, I'm picturing something that can either seed or amplify them.

I sometimes go down the rabbit hole of crazy military weapons and past projects. I can't imagine the amount of money they have dumped into all kinds of weather control weapons.

It's like the Jewish space laser thing. Clearly MTG is a crack pot mixing fear and antisemitism to flirt with her base, but what are the chances the military doesn't have lasers up there? The government that was doing mass surveillance on the whole country shies away from adding a laser or two to their spy satellites or using natural disasters as a weapon?

[–] 3ntranced@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I do believe that some large enough exo/endothermic would be able to shift pressure systems enough to change a hurricanes trajectory or even break up the storm.

I don't believe that any such device could be properly controlled without causing more damage than the storm would, at least in the case of detonation.

The US military, without a shadow of a doubt, dumps assloads of money into programs to research weather control.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Physics shows us the energy required just can’t be generated by man. All the nukes in the world won’t stop one hurricane.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-would-happened-if-you-nuked-a-hurricane-like-trump-reportedly-suggested

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 1 points 11 hours ago

Best way to amplify a hurricane is to pump in more heat energy. The link I posted mentioned the amount of energy already in a storm (10 Mt worth of a nuclear bomb every 20 mins) , so to get a 1% increase in damage, that's still a huge amount of energy that being silently put in somewhere. Into a storm that you still can't direct to a particular place, since that's the entire weather system steering it.

I get your point, the military is going to have stuff that the public isn't aware of until years from now, just like before. But there's also physics and limits to even what would look magic to us right now.

I think lasers were looked at and aren't as practical as movies would lead you to think, especially through an atmosphere at distance. Now perhaps that's what the military wants us to think while they have a bunch standing by, but somehow they keep scientists who work with laser daily quiet about the capabilities, even pretending there are limits in non-military uses.