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PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games (www.pcgamer.com)
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Quite a good list, although without any real surprises, except for the cheeky inclusion of a recent fan-made PC port. I'm glad Kerbal Space Program is on it, but a few other personal favorites (and candidates for best game of all time) are absent, like The Talos Principle, BeamNG.drive, NEO Scavenger, World of Goo, Mafia, Machinarium and Gothic II. Jets'n'Guns - a very early Indie masterpiece of a 2D space shooter - as well, but it's a bit too obscure for these kinds of lists. I'll stop here before I accidentally create my own top 100.

Are your favorite PC games well-represented by this list?

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[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Interesting seeing Hotline Miami make the list subs I just watched a short video essay the other day explaining how OTXO is just a better game in basically every way.

I'm still in the 80s working my way down the list, but I searched and OTXO doesn't appear to be on the page.

Edit: Conversely, I'm pleased to see Portal included (I assume) instead of Portal 2. The Portal 2 goo was unnecessary and led to more boring puzzle solutions. Portal is a more pure, timeless game. And it has a lot of amazing mods... I should probably look into how to install Portal mods on the Deck...

[–] sag@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

8th is !balatro@lemm.ee and 9th is !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml. Hell Yeah

[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 15 points 1 day ago

No Terraria :(

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

Missing No One Lives Forever (2). Those games were just fantastic.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

How is Doom only in tenth place and the original Half-Life isn't even close to top (edit: I just checked, Half-Life isn't even on the list).

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They set a rule that only one game from a series can be on the list. Half-Life 2 probably just beat 1 in the very subjective scoring.

[–] addie@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nah - Doom (DOS): and Doom Eternal are on there, as are Baldur's Gates 2 and 3.

[–] Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 hours ago

the list also has morrowind and skyrim

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 3 points 22 hours ago

True. They did mention Doom and Doom: Eternal as being different enough to warrant both. Don't think that is true for BG2 and BG3 though

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

On the other hand, how is doom even on the list? This isn't a 'most influential games' list. Surely the 10th best game in 2024 isn't Doom 1993? Their scoring system (Quality 60%, Importance 15%, Hotness 15%, Playability 10%) makes sense to me, but how they assign those scores is baffling.

Take doom and doom eternal for example:
Doom 1993: Q 8.41 - I 9.99 - H 6.81 - P 6.81
Doom eternal: Q 8.00 - 7.45 - H 6.09 - P 8.45

How is cardboard enemies, simplest damage mechanics, story made of 2 still pictures and exposition text, and single axis camera control higher quality than any modern shooter? And in what universe could a 30 year old game be called hot??

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Quick question: have you played original Doom?

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Yes?

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The modding scene keeps it hot

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe they keep it fresh for people that already like it, but I haven't seen anyone excited to play doom due to its mods

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 hours ago

Fools that don't know what they're missing!

[–] Crotaro@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I fully understand someone thinking x game deserves to be there instead of y but I think this is a great list that spans most genres and serves as a wonderful stepping stone for exploration within gaming.

If I give this list to someone who doesn't know yet, what kind of games they like, this list will show them great games from all major "eras" and all kinds of dev studio sizes/budgets. And once they have played, say, KotoR 2 (since it's in the same list that recommends new and good games like Baldur's Gate 3, they are more likely to check out other old but great games like Gothic 1 and 2 (and, of course, KotoR 1).

[–] Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The thing for me wasn't so much the game choice but the placement. It feels like they took a big bag of 100 of the best games and randomly picked them out one at a time. If you start to ask is Y really better than X on this list then it starts to make less and less sense.

[–] Crotaro@beehaw.org 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

That's a fair gripe with the list. I guess "Top 100 Games" is just more catchy than "100 Great Games In Random Order"

... Although at this point I've seen so many "Top x y" lists that "x Great y In Random Order" would, ironically, catch my attention more.

[–] Rose@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

CS2 being ranked higher than Siege and Fortnite is really misguided. It's been almost the same game since before the internet. Siege was a welcome improvement on the same formula. Fortnite continues to innovate with new games and new modes, all appealing to a wide range of people and skill groups. Even its main mode sees drastic changes with each season. It keeps things fresh, which is vital for a live service game like those three.

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 5 points 1 day ago

This but ironically.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This list is offensive to say the least. Valheim at 100 and then goes on to show like 60ish games that are shit in comparison to that masterpiece.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are not even 10 bad games on that list. Might not be to your taste, but that does not make them shit

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't say any of these games were shit. I said that many of them were shit IN COMPARISON to Valheim, which is objectively true.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What if I told you I find Valheim to be just fine, so I am surprised it is on this list? The subjectiveness of enjoying a game is a very large spectrum

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 1 points 18 hours ago

Honestly, there were a TON of games I was surprised to find on this list, but Valheim was not one of them.

Multiplayer games are especially vulnerable to the subjectiveness of enjoyment because not everybody has the same set of friends or experiences with their friends in the game, assuming they played with friends at all.

That said, I've been playing games for decades and I would put forth that even single player Valheim with no access to multiplayer would deserve to be much higher than the 100 placement on this terrible list.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

KOTOR 2 on the list instead of KOTOR is an odd choice, but I do not hate it. With the missing content mod, that game is great

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 1 points 5 hours ago

Their entire list is odd choices except for the top 10 (even persona 5 is iffy as top 10 of all time)

They favor shooters and then place a game that had lost most of its audience in under a year as the best shooter other than doom 1 of all time.

I love helldivers, but it is a very niche game in comparison to so many others, even those on the list.

Not to mention KOTOR and DA:O as 94 and 95. Also prey is an extremely weird choice..

[–] TommySalami@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

I prefer 2 to 1, primarily because the choices are not as blatantly good/evil and it feels like they have more impact. I also think the character creation and items are more fleshed out. Just a shame it didn't get the polish it deserved at launch. 1 definitely feels more "Star Wars"-y, though.

[–] julianh@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the entire list isn't outer wilds its bs.

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's somehow not on the list? That's actually unbelievable

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good, because it is number 90

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm an idiot, no clue how I missed that

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

Nah, it is a long list. I missed Dishonored 2 on there.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

I don't usually give much thought to these lists but Minecraft deserves it's place, undoubtedly.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

No Overwatch in the entire list? Final Fantasy 14 the only FF in the list? No Dota 2 or Leage of Legends? No Batman game?

I know its just opinions and fun, but I'm just very surprised, not angry or anything like that.

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Regarding the FF games, I think it's actually fine considering some of the more notable omissions. Most FF games didn't get released anywhere near when they were relevant.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, but how do you explain then Persona 5 Royal then on place 5 then? Final Fantasy 7 Remake got higher ratings, I think sold more and was surely more popular on PC, right? Red Dead Redemption 2 was also released on PC when it anywhere near its initial relevance. Metal Gear Solid 3 or Mass Effect Legendary Edition is even worse, because those games are much much older.

Also Portal behind Slay the Spire? Team Fortress 2 34 places behind Hunt: Showdown 1896? So strange! These Valve games were revolutionary and defined their genre with huge number of players and fanbase.

My point is just, that the given argumentation here doesn't hold up to me. But that is what you get if you ask people for their opinion. It's just that and it will always surprise you.

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 hours ago

The list is honestly bizarre and the rank placements are all over the place. Most of your later examples of that I completely agree with. I just think that the mainline FF games not being on the top 100 list of PC games is fairly understandable, and I say that as a huge fan of the series. Ironically, FF14 is quite literally the only game in the series that I haven't played.

[–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@thingsiplay @DdCno1 this list is actually wild. Random flash in the pan games high up but also a bunch of evergreen classics and old games that were revolutionary but largely unplayed today while also missing some of the most popular games on PC. Not sure what this list is supposed to be except maybe engagement bait.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 13 points 1 day ago

All lists like this are incredibly subjective and by definition about engagement. I wouldn't call it bait, but it was definitely created for engagement. That is not necessarily a bad thing since it can generate some fun discussions.

[–] 50MYT@aussie.zone 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No Factorio either.

This article may as well have been written by AI.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not AI and I really dislike Factorio. I would say it is a bit of a niche game, but Rimworld also seems niche. Probably just not to anyone at PC Gamer's taste.

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Factorio is not for everyone, but it's also one of the all stars of its genre. With the upcoming expansion in a couple weeks, it'll probably eat another few hundred of my free hours over the next few months, and I know I'm not alone on this one.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago

Oh, totally. But the folks making the list might not even have thought of it if none of them play it.

[–] 50MYT@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You wrote the article?

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago

No, just saying it would not have made my top 100 list. Seemed like a funny thing to say it is an AI list because of not having Factorio

[–] Ludz@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

True, OK everyone has its own preferences but indeed ff7 missing looks surprising, didn't see lot of city builders (not mentioning wolfenstein, fable, populous, Dk...)

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Overwatch 2 update was pretty widely hated, so that might be clouding things. I supposed they did put Destiny 2 on there though. It is for sure weird to not see FFVII or an Arkham game. Or hell, Dishonored.

Edit: Whoops missed Dishonored 2.

[–] SmoochyPit@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

This list was really hard for my phone to view. It’s an older phone, so that’s probably why, but it kept freezing and reloading.